Now that Sony reinstalled the firmware on my EX1 I can report the two MxR cards are happily working. They are snug and the Sandisk 32GB Ultra II cards are a tight fit but I like that. I can insert MxR into camera and they feel like they make solid contact. Inserting and removing the Sandisk cards have just enough pop so they release I can then easily pull them out.
I've done short recordings as well as record 118 minute straight through on a single card without any problems. I haven't tried to span yet but I'd assume that would work. It's nice to pop in two cards and know I have nearly 4 hours of record time. It cost 1/10 what SxS 32GB would. And for clients who want their material at the end of a shoot, as Bill notes, Transcend 16GB are under $30 US. I tested one of those also as supplied by a friend of mine. Maybe it's obvious but a really important note is that I can now walk in to a local office supply store (like Staples for example) and buy another Transcend card if I run short during a shoot. |
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Received mine super fast - thanks Ross!
I only own Toshiba 4GB SDHC cards, which all behave this way: I can record on them just fine. After pressing STOP, it tells me that: Media Error Media (A) Needs to be restored So I click from CAMERA over to MEDIA and it prompts me thus: Media Needs to be Restored Restore Media (A) Now? Execute Cancel And I click Execute, and it counts up the percentage to 100% and then allows me to click PLAY on the clips. When I do so however, it plays the clip just fine until about 2 seconds before the end of the clip. When I plugged the camera into the PC and viewed the footage there, I confirmed that the last (approximately) 2 seconds of footage was not recorded. Is this a product of the Toshiba card? Or the adapter? Also, my Sony SxS card reader does not appear to recognise the adapter. The little light does not go on when I place the adapter in there, which it does using the SxS card. When clicking on the SxS drive in Windows Explorer, it says "Please insert a disk into Drive G. Removing the SDHC card from the adapter, I was able to transfer the footage directly from it via an SD card reader. But should the SxS card reader be able to handle the adapter? So my questions are basically, is the Toshiba card or the adapter itself the trouble with: a) final 2 seconds of footage not being recorded b) not recognising the card in the Sony SxS card reader I am going to order some Sandisk cards today but am worried that they may not behave any differently to the Toshiba ones. NOTE: I have the new firmware, and I have two MxR adapters and multiple 4GB Toshiba SDHC cards, and they all behaved the same way in both adapters. |
Maybe your Toshibas are not compatible with EX1 through MxR??
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can't help you re the Toshiba cards much, sounds like a buffer or some such is not being flushed to the SDHC cards. The MxR etc cards will not work in the Sony SxS reader as it only uses the PCI interface to the Express Cards, not the USB interface. |
What about the EX30?
Anyone with a XDCAM EX EX30 VCR tried any of these card e.g. MXR in that?
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John, Not all SDHC cards can handle the same write data rates. At this point Sandisk Ultra II, Sandisk Extreme III, Transcend Class 6 are the only cards that work reliably. They are the only ones with fast enough sustained write times.
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I bought an 8GB Toshiba to test the speed of the card. The results were that the card is not fast enough to sustain the EX1 writing to it. The media error arises because it took too long to write the TOC after you buttoned off. The data is usually written in this case, but requires a Media recovery to be read. In your case it didn't complete writing the data. My tests of the 8GB Toshiba, led me to rank it alongside the Lexar SSD, and really only suitable for HDV/SP, and even then I wouldn't trust it. Recommend as others have said, the Sandisk Ultra II range, Sandisk Extreme range, (more expensive but no performance increase), or Transcend, quite a bargain, but not as well made as the Sandisk. I tried Kingston, one worked well the other did not. I also tried aData, that was slightly slower than the Kingston. Both cards would be happier in HDV/SP, but not HQ. I personally wouldn't record anything commercially on them though. They are just too slow. The Sony SxS ExpressCard Reader/Writer - SBAC-US10 from what we have read will only read and write to SxS cards, not to cards which have a USB interface such as the MxR. We haven't used the SBAC-US10, but we found a product that can do the same job at substantial savings, cheap enough to allow you to download more than one card at a time. If you can wait until next week, we will be releasing the product on our website. |
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I went down to Videocraft in Artarmon yesterday, and Rob Fluoro was very helpful in letting me try out the MxR in their EX30, and EX3. It was recognised immediately and we were able to see it on their Mac setup, no problem. It was recognised in just the same way as the Sony SxS 8Gb I took with me to test. That looks like a sweet deck, I'd love to have a longer play with one, but I didn't want to wear out the welcome. |
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I have a question for you about the device you're planning, for offloading multiple cards at once, if that's ok. I can plug multiple sdhc cards into my pc at once, using multiple usb slots and the cheap little sdhc>usb readers, the ones which came with my transcend cards, however, i can only open one instance of clip browser at a time, so can only offload one card at a time. I suppose i could offload multiple cards at once using just windows but i'd prefer to use clip browser. So my question to you is how will we go about offloading multiple cards at the same time ? Thanks. Paul. |
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And again, many thanks for a delightfully inexpensive SxS alternative solution!! |
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Hi Paul, There you go wanting to spoil all the fun for everyone else. Next week, I promise... |
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I suppose what i'm getting at is, will we be limited by clip browser, ie one card at a time ? And will we be able to transfer multiple cards at once safely ? Thanks Ross. Paul. |
Finally received MY (4) SCANDISK 32GB CARDS yesterday shot 118min with the MxR no problems with recording or play back. Its good to have 4 hours of recording on each cam.
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Thank you so much and I apologize for asking what seems to be an obvious question. |
16GB Sony SxS - $750
MxR card - $35, Transcend Class 6 SDHC 16GB card -$30 - Total $65 32GB Sony SxS - $1425 MxR card - $35, Sandisk Ultra II 32GB -$150 - Total $185 Additionally one can avoid the cost of laptop needed to bring to a shoot to offload on location can sell the media to client who wants to walk with the camera masters instead of the additional cost of portable hard drive or optical disc and backup time on location. |
After a slight shipping delay (no doubt due to the holiday rush), my MxR cards have arrived and work flawlessly with my EX1 (using SanDisk Ultra II). Congrats Ross on bringing this excellent product to the market!
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A Great Experience!
My cards arrived and I am happy to report that all 5 work perfectly with my Sandisk 32gb cards. Thanks Ross!
Wishing you a prosperous 09! Keith Anderson |
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Hi James, Thanks for your patience. I finally got to test an EX3 with a range of our cards this week. I took a selection of cards with me, from ones I had measured as being at spec., to ones I knew from measuring were on the very outside of specification. What I found was, and I have to keep referring to statistics to help me understand and explain this,... during manufacture there is a normal distribution of widths of cards. For any given size there will be cards that are under, some that are over specification, distributed around the mean size, which is our specification. The distribution is always in a bell curve, which means most will be fine, but a small number will fall outside of what is acceptable. Slot B on an EX1 is marginally smaller than Slot A, and the same from my testing applies to the EX3, with one small gotcha, if you try and insert a slightly wider card into the narrower slot B, because of the audio controls, can make it very difficult to remove. As a result of your feedback, we have given the factory a new set of parameters to produce the card so that this will not happen in the future. We also know what to look for now in our own sampling. What about you, I hear you ask, no problem, we will unconditionally replace any cards that are hard to insert/eject, and I will make sure that the card you receive in it's place is tested by hand to ensure that it fits and works. This offer is open to any EX3 user. Just send us proof that you have sent the card back that doesn't fit and we will send out a replacement right away, so you can get back to shooting as quickly as possible. Thanks for giving us the heads-up on the problem, we wouldn't have known about it otherwise, and I'll bet there are others suffering in silence, that's why we're always pleased to get feedback, good or bad, it's all helpful. |
Ross, your adapter works fine in my EX1 with Sandisk 16GB.
Many thanks from Argentina! Ernesto |
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Hey All,
I just have to say that the prompt service and customer support from Ross and Efilm team was great, I can't wait to put them through their paces.Ross, thanks for the gift too! Mick |
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Received three MxRs early this year and have used all three out in the field on a dramatic film. All three have functioned perfectly.
Thanks again, Ross! Cheers Chris |
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I'm just about to buy some so would i be better of waiting for a while until the new ones start getting through. Thanks. Paul |
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Ross thanks for getting back to me! The change sounds great. I think a buddy and I might go in and buy some to save on shipping! Because the cards are !$!@$n amazing. cheers |
Received my 2 M&R's today- overcranked, undercranked, shot an hour worth of 1080p, had my wife sit on them, threw 'm against the wall, drove my car over them, submerged them in hot&cold fluids and gave 'm to the dog to chew on... They're totally ruined.
Thanks a lot, Ross! ps I lied about the dog and the cards work like a charm! (Sandisk Ultra II's and Transcend's 16 GB) |
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Hi Paul, Once we became aware of a problem, we have checked every card going out, and pulled any that are out of specification. As a result of this problem we unpacked and checked by hand all of stock on hand, and while we were at it, tested each card in an EX1. We've only pulled 5 in the last batch of 500 for thickness problems, and all passed the test shoot in our EX1's. But still too many for us. I'd hate to be on a shoot and trying to change cards and the dang card is stuck in slot B and I forgot my tweasers! The dimensions of the card are the same, what has changed is that we have asked them to check each card before they pack it to ensure it is in specification. In other words we want a smaller standard deviation of sizes, and we want to ensure that any oversize card is pulled before getting to us. In answer to your question, all cards we have sent out for the last three days have been at the new specifications, and any that anyone has problems with before that, let us know and we will replace them no problem. |
MxR Express Card- Trouble in MacBook Pro
I just received my MxR Express card and bought 2 SanDisk Ultra II cards for it. The cards work beautifully in my EX-1. I can record and play back within the camera just fine. Unfortunately, when I put the MxR card reader with SanDisk into my MacBook Pro, it won't show up on my desktop. To be sure it was not the computer, I installed one of my known Sony SxS cards into the slot and it worked perfectly. I then took the MxR card system and tried it in my Sony External reader hooked to my G-5 computer and had the same issue, it would not see the device. Again, I tested that system with the known Sony SxS card and it worked fine. So, I am stuck and confused. Why will the Sony EX-1 see everything fine, read and write, yet the two computers won't? Has anyone else had this issue? I have sent an eMail to Ross and I am sure he will respond soon. I just found this a little baffling.
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Okay, maybe I am just old. I got an email back for Ross' company and I was under the impression, this reader/writer could be installed from the camera right into the MacBook Pros slot on the side of the computer. Just like I do with the Sony SxS cards. I found out now that you have to use an external card reader connected to the USB port. I did that with a SanDisk external card reader I use on my Olympus still camera and it worked. I sure wish it worked the way I was trying it from a convenience standpoint, but for the savings benefits over the expensive SxS cards, I can be put out a little bit!
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I just wanted to clear up what we tested on the Mac. We tested a MacBook Pro 2.2Ghz Intel Core 2 running 10.5.6, and FCP Studio 6.0.5. We tested using the USB port using XDCAM transfer v2.7.0, and Clipbrowser v2.0. We also tested the Expresscard slot using XDCAM transfer v2.7.0, and Clipbrowser v2.0. Both methods allowed us to open the card, and transfer data, without error. Obviously the Expresscard interface ran much faster and is definitely superior. We also tested a G5 2Ghz using the USB interface, and it ran fine. The Clipbrowser software is Intel based, so obviously won't run on G5. Our mac guy is out shooting a wedding today, but we will get back to you tommorrow, sorry about that. Although I do remember him saying he likes to keep up to date with the latest releases, so that is where I'd start looking. But let me say once more emphatically, it does work on MacBook Pro using the Expresscard interface. So if the card is not recognised then it is most probably a driver issue. Which driver? Well I'm not the mac guy, ...standby. Update: Spoke to our Mac guy tonight, he suggested two things.. 1). Run Applications>Utilities>Disk Utilities> and from here select the OS drive and run Repair Disk Permissions. 2). He tells me that he has run over 10 different MxR cards at different times on his Macbook Pro during our testing processes, and for real work, and he suggests, are you able to go to a Mac store or find any Mac that hasn't had the SxS driver installed, (to remove the possibility of conflict), and see if it mounts as a USB drive. If the Mac is a "clean" install, and it still doesn't mount, then it is most probably the card that is at fault. Do you have more than one you can test on? If not, and it won't load on a "clean" installed Mac, then we need to replace it, with one we will test on a Mac. |
Thanks, Ross
I appreciate the quick response as I knew you would provide. So, I do have the ability to take the MxR device directly out of my EX-1 and put it into the slot on the side of my Macbook Pro (2.33 GHZ) with Intel, and it should recognize the card? I will try the driver issue, however I regularly check on and install any new updates on this computer. A friend of mine also has the MxR system and I can ask him to test his card in this Mac. If it works, then we know it is not the driver and I will advise you so we can exchange the system. One more comment. Remember I said the card does not even show up on the desktop on insert. I could see the conflict issue if I were running a program like FCP or XDCAM Transfer, but I don't even get to that step. It just doesn't see the MxR system on insert.
It is amazing to shoot on a $40 ScanDisk card and get the same quality as my Sony $1,000 card! Thank your and your team for a wonderful product and great customer service. Phil Hanna |
Im wondering if Ross can make a cheaper P2 card?
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Latest news on alliance between JVC and Sony on standardizing SxS. Very good news for all of us:
http://podcast.televisionbroadcast.c...inutedrill.mp3 |
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What's P2? Only joking.... That's a great idea, we'll have a look to see if there is something we can do, but we have a few announcements coming up in the EX1 area first.... |
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