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Doug Jensen August 29th, 2009 10:55 AM

I have to disagree with that advice.

On the EX1 and EX3, f/4 is already approaching the outer limits of what you can get away with.

If you want sharp video, I recommend f/2.8 to f/4 and never anything smaller than f/5.6 under any circumstances.

David C. Williams August 29th, 2009 05:46 PM

Doug has the right of it. Diffraction limiting on green wave lengths for 1/2" starts to soften the image around F5.6, and wider than F2.8 you start to use the outer edges of the lens, which aren't as clean.

Glynn Morgan August 30th, 2009 03:13 AM

Interesting points, thankyou so much.

Never really knew that aperture could muck around with your "in focus" sharpness as much as it seems to do. Why do they even bother having f8 and below?

Vincent Oliver August 30th, 2009 07:57 AM

Who am I to doubt you Doug?

On still camera lenses the optimum aperture is usually f5.6, I would have expected the same to be true for video lenses.


I must conduct a set of lens tests for myself.

Good question Glynn, why bother with f11 & f16, even on still cameras these apertures can be soft, but they do produce a greater depth of field (not to be confused with sharpness)

Doug Jensen August 30th, 2009 09:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vincent Oliver (Post 1289031)
Who am I to doubt you Doug?

On still camera lenses the optimum aperture is usually f5.6, I would have expected the same to be true for video lenses.

Vincent, I am wrong on a lot of things, but I know I am right on this one because I saw the results first hand when I started shooting with a pre-production EX1 exactly two years ago next week. Hard to believe it has been that long!

f/5.6 might very well be the "sweet spot" for the optics of some lenses, but you have to consider the tiny 1/2" sensors of the EX1 and EX3. Yeah, they're bigger than 1/3" sensors on other handycams, but they are still quite a bit smaller than 35mm film, digital SLRs, or 2/3" cameras. The small sensor size makes them vulnerable to diffraction problems at small apertures. I'm sure someone else can explain it better than I just did, but all you need to know is to keep the iris larger than f/5.6 all the time -- and preferabally around f/2.8.

Vincent Oliver August 30th, 2009 09:37 AM

"Who am I to doubt you Doug? "

I didn't mean this as a sarcastic remark Doug, in fact far from it. I respect and value your opinions and advice, they certainly have helped me to become a better cameraman.

I will still put my lenses through a test, just so I know where the sweet spot is on my equipment.

Cheers :-)

Doug Jensen August 30th, 2009 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vincent Oliver (Post 1289355)
"Who am I to doubt you Doug? "

I didn't mean this as a sarcastic remark Doug, in fact far from it.

Don't worry, I took it the right way. I'm sorry if I sounded like I didn't get it. Everything is cool.

Glynn Morgan August 30th, 2009 10:19 PM

I would be keen to see those test's screen grabs to see if my own EX is in the bounds of sharpness.

Vincent Oliver August 30th, 2009 10:25 PM

Glynn, put your camera on a sturdy tripod and shoot 10-20 seconds of material at each aperture. Use a Progressive mode rather than interlaced. On my tests I usually say the the settings so when I play back a clip I know what it was shot at. Try the same sequence of tests under soft and strong lighting.

Although all the advice is not to go beyond f8, shoot some footage at f8, f11 & f16 if only to open your eyes to what the results will look like.

Have fun.

I will post my tests later this week, have to finiish of another assignment first.

Alister Chapman August 31st, 2009 12:20 PM

At the end of this video there are some examples of diffraction limiting.

YouTube - Aperture, Depth of Field and Diffraction. How to Guide.

Glynn Morgan September 1st, 2009 05:52 AM

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I found a room, stuck a focal chart on the door and did the aperture sharpness test. Really cool to see the theory proven. f8 and f11 aren't too good.

I noticed my Mid shots at f2.8 and f4 were a bit blurry though, don't know why that could be.

Thoughts?

f1-f4

Glynn Morgan September 1st, 2009 05:56 AM

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f4-f11

only showed WS of f11, cos you can see it so clearly.

These are JPEG files but they are the same res and are identical to the eye to the BMP's

Think my camera is up to scratch?

PS: I know my WB is completely out of whack - i should have reset it.

Glynn Morgan September 8th, 2009 07:35 AM

^ Results to be expected?

Glynn Morgan September 21st, 2009 10:08 AM

Hah
 
Hah, I am going to assume they are. Cheers everyone for your help in this thread. :]

Glynn Morgan May 10th, 2010 02:12 AM

Selling
 
I'm now selling this Ex3 for an overseas opportunity, but I do need to know if these are acceptable back focus images before I sell it. I don't want to sell someone something that needs a service.


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