Does Handy35 work with EX3?
 

I just saw the web site of the Handy35 adapter, and am wondering if it can be used with the EX3. I watched , and it seems to be a well thought out design, I am just not sure if the EX3 may be too big for (my EX3 is arriving in two days, so I actually do not have the exact idea of its size).

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The EX3 has a lens diameter of 77mm ... so at this point the largest diameter this adapter will work with is 72mm.

Well, wouldn't a step-down ring, like this one, help with that? Has anyone tried it? Or would that cause optical problems?

I guess I should just email him and ask him if it would work with the EX3, though I was hoping to hear from someone other than him, since other people would probably be more objective about it.

OK, I e-mailed him. Then I noticed that while his web site says 72 mm max, his order form also offers an 82 mm adapter. So, with a step-up ring, that should work.

I'll have to see when I get my EX3 if all the other measurements are within his stated parameters.

Looks like the stars are smiling at me. :) My EX3 is coming tomorrow, and I have just received a reply to my email:

He even attached a picture.

Hi Adam,

Looks like the Handy35 is a nice, well built 35mm adapter setup. (And if it looks like it'll work with the EX3, then it'll surely work with the EX1R :)

Please keep us posted if and when you do get the Handy35.

Best,

Yes, I will keep you posted. By the way, my EX3 arrived today. :)

Hi Adam,

Congratulations on your new EX3!

Best,

Thanks, Jeff. It is a really nice piece of equipment. I also got Doug Jensen's DVDs with it, and I am glad I did because it is much more advanced than anything I have used before.

Will that work with the Canon xl1s?

I don't know anything about the Canon XL1s, sorry. I guess it depends on the ring size of its lens.

I don't know anything about the Handy35, but I have tried many adapters on the Ex-1.

Adapting to the thread size is easy, but the lens on the Ex-1 has been hard for adapter makers to mate their achromats to with decent optical results. As far as I know the only 2 adapters that have done a good job are the SGBlade and the Letus ( not the older ones). Its possible the new version of the Redrock is OK as well.

I've also found that manufacturers ( to be gentle about it) generally exaggerate when describing how well their adapters will work with an EX-1. In other words don't believe everything they say. I expect to see decent corner to corner sharpness with my EX-1 iris wide.

Judging by his video on updating the Handy35 v5 to v5+ (see below), he has replaced his achromat with a completely different one. So it is impossible to know how good the achromat is at this time. But, hopefully, the upgrade probably means the new achromat is better than the old one.


And judging by the test video below, the v5 did not seem to have corner to corner sharpness, which is the reason for the upgrade:

Hi Adam,

Yeah, it'd be interesting if the Handy35 mates well with the EX1/3. Been trying to look around for any sample videos with that combo...

I have asked the manufacturer to email me when he has the version for the EX3 available. Once I have it, I will play with it and post some samples. By then I should have learned how to use my EX3. :)

And just today I ordered a 50 mm f/1.4 Zeiss ZE lens with the EF mount (since my main photo camera is a Rebel 2000 EOS), which is a very sharp lens, and a Lens Baby, which is a very soft and dreamy lens. So, I will test the adapter with both.

Of course, an EF mount lens has the disadvantage that its iris can only be controlled electronically, so you can adjust it while mounted on the adapter. You have to use a Canon camera to set it and remove it from the camera while the iris is set properly, then mount it on the adapter. I just hope the Zeiss lens holds the iris in that situation the way Canon lenses do...

One thing I like about the Handy35 is that you can change the speed of rotation of the ground glass, which should allow for different effects.

Thanks, Leonard. I have been researching the new Redrock all day today and decided I would be much better off with it than the Handy35 despite it (the Redrock) being big and ugly.

The main reason is my EF lenses: The new Redrock actually can control EF lenses electronically. Well, not totally, just the iris, but that is the most important part, as everything else on EF lenses can be handled manually. Here is a video about their new Canon EF "Live Lens" adaptor (though I wish it was detachable so you could change the iris while recording without having to press a button on the lens adapter which is likely to shake the image momentarily):


And I have just discovered that Phillip Bloom has reviewed it on the EX1 and gave it is stamp of approval:

Philip Bloom | Redrock Encore/EX1 Review

According to his review they have addressed all the issues you have mentioned.

So, I have now abandoned the idea of getting the Handy35 and am going to see about getting the new Redrock.

Why would you choose either of these adapters?

I see the need for the "Redrock" type of adapters for the EX1 but since the EX3 has removable lenses can't you get an adapter that enables you to mount Nikon lenses directly to the EX3? And are there similar adapters for Canon lenses etc?

Do adapters like the Redrock Encore or Handy35 have an advantage over mounting the lens directly to the camera without one of these adapters?

Yes, they have an advantage over mounting them directly to the EX3: with an adapter like those mentioned, they have the depth of field of film.

With the adapters the lens (Canon, Nikon, Zeiss, etc) projects the captured image onto a 24x36 mm area on the ground glass inside the adapter, just like in a photo film camera. The EX3 (or any other video camera) then films that image with all of its depth of field.

So, essentially, your video camera becomes a motion picture film scanner but without the film (and actually better because the 24x36 mm image is larger than what motion picture film cameras capture). If you mounted the 35 mm lens directly on an EX3, you would be using it with just its 1/2" capture device, so you would not get the same depth of field as you can get with these adapters, and you may as well use the lens that came with the EX3 (which is a very good lens anyway).

Thanks for the reply Adam. Makes a lot of sense, it wasn't obvious to me what the difference might be.

As an interim step, is there an advantage to connecting SLR lenses to the EX3 over the stock lens?

Maybe I should explain the reason for my question, I have a project that involves shooting some incredibly rare cars indoors with controlled lighting and outside in beautiful vistas. Most of these cars are valued well above $1M with a couple valued in excess of $10M. So I want as good a look as I can reasonably get.

I have shots some tests with an EX3 and the Canon 5dMkII. Footage from a 5dMkII looks amazing, and although I might use some of the footage from that camera I don't believe its the right camera for this project. The EX3 footage looks very good but not quite as good as I'd like. Nothing against the camera, I like it a lot, I'm just looking for ways to improve it. I'm also intrigued by the NanoFLASH and using 100Mb 4:2:2.

The Red might be an interesting solution but I'm certainly not ready to move up to that, so I'm looking for the right combination of technology that would make the EX3 work well for this application.

Just out of curiosity, would it be beneficial to use an adapter to attach a Nikon "E" series 100mm lens directly to the EX3 and then the Redrock Encore?

Wouldn't that make a more compact setup with good glass all the way through?

I seriously doubt that attaching a 100 mm Nikon lens directly to the camera and the Redrock adapter to that lens would work. The 1/2" image area is much smaller than that of the 35 mm film, so the effective focal length of the Nikon would be considerably longer than 100 mm. But the distance of the adapter from the lens is fixed, so your 100 mm lens would be too close and only see a small portion of the image on the ground glass, which would completely defeat the purpose of the adapter.

Adam,

Well I hope that works for you. Personally I am a stickler about edge to edge sharpness (not that it's mattered in my work much) and am not convinced by anecdotal reviews. I want to see a chart with lenses wide open, and almost no one ever bothers to shoot them . I love Phil and he's a fabulous artist but he's sometimes been off about judging how sharp the adapters are. In that review I'd have to take issue with his commenting that the SGBlade isn't quite there. I've posted charts that clearly show the Blade leaves the Extreme behind and arguably very similar in sharpness to the Ultimate.( I couldn't get them side by side.) Nevertheless the Encore sounds pretty decent and with your other lens needs sounds like a good way to go.

I have ordered the Redrock today. Their email stated they would start making one for me as soon as they receive the money (which is strange since I paid with a credit card, so they should have received it instantly), and should finish making it within 20 days after that.

Rather a long wait but they claim they keep their prices low ($2,000 is low?) by not keeping any inventory and making their products only after people order them.

Even though I have lenses with the Canon EF mount, I decided not to order their Live Lens, which can change the aperture of the EF lenses electronically (it cannot be changed manually, nice move, Canon, grrr). The reason? The control is right on the adapter, so pushing a button to change the f-stop is most likely to shake the lens, which is unacceptable.

I told them if they make it properly, with a connector to which a remote lens control can be attached by a cable, so the control can rest on the tripod handle, then I will be interested. Their reply was that the video I saw with the shaking lens was of the prototype and that now the buttons are easier to push. That reply did not make me want to buy the Live Lens at all. If you mount your camera on a jib, you need a controller on a long cable, period.