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Nigel, I tried to pick up both the 18-50, and the 50-150 when B and H had the kit, as Nate mentioned on that previous post, I thought I would take a gamble. Literally 3 days after I bought the kit, they "discontiuned" the 50-150 lens.. so I got the email stating the 50-150 was no longer avail. Long story short, as Nate said great price range, haven't had any "big" tests with the lens, but playing around home with it, looks nice and sharp. fwiw, the red 18-50 is $5 bux cheaper =) There is actually one on eBay right now, incase somone is interested: http://cgi.ebay.com/RED-18-50mm-T3-Z...46397433632442 |
Thanks Ryan
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Sigma just announced a stabilized version of the 50-150/2.8 in APS-C format. Aprox. 70-200 in full frame.
Sigma stabilizes 50-150mm F2.8 EX DC APO OS HSM: Digital Photography Review I think its good complimentary choice to the standard 17-55/2.8 zoom. I have the Canon 17-55/2.8 and I'm very satisfied with its performance on a 7D (not to mention that makes the camera water resistant). Funny the angenieux version of this zoom costs $20 000 and the zeiss $30000. Better ergonomics, better optics but still they are 20X... BTW does anybody know, when the canon EF adapter for the F3 is due? |
Sorry I missed this if it was cover...
With the MTS adaptor, should I assume that zoom lenses will work as vari-focal only, as there is no back-focus control, or do the lenses sit relative to the film plane (sensor) as on a Nikon? |
Yesterday I shot with my MTF adapter for the first time. All lenses used are in the end credits. More details here: http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/sony-xdc...ml#post1620215
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As I understand it there is back focus adjustment on the F3 itself , but that won't make a varifocal still photography lens track focus through the zoom.
Question about the MTF Nikon adapter: When using old Nikon manual lenses with click f-stop settings, Does the mechanism for setting f-stops by-pass the clicks so you can get smooth iris changes. I think the fotodiox 4/3's adapter does that. If so it would be cool. Lenny |
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Yes, it does. You can choose to use the aperture ring on the lens itself or the adapter if you need smooth exposure changes. OR you can declick you Nikon lenses. I did it at an authorised Nikon service center for €30 per lens incl. cleaning.
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I've not seen anyone talk about the older Cooke 20-100 or Angenieux 17-102 zooms and where they fit into the pecking order. I understand the Angenieux is a superior glass to the Cooke.
How would either one stack-up against the Red 18-85? Nate, I'm conceding to your earlier notion that they are likely more glass than operator! ;-) Thanks. |
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They are both solid choices
The 17-102 is a newer design (late 80s, early 90s), so it's slightly better in my opinion. I still see 20-100s on shoots that could get anything they want! Same with 17-102, maybe to a lesser degree |
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That is good to know...thanks. How would they compare to the Red 18-85?
It bends one's mind wading through all these choices! ;-) |
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Here is a great read for those like me who are experienced with SLR lenses but not cine lenses.
LensRentals.com - Photo Lenses for Video I might change my list to Nikon because these 3 are fast, sharp and parfocal: 17-35 2.8, 28-70 2.8 and 70-200 2.8 (original version, not the new one). |
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Thanks Didn't know the 17-35 and 28 -70 were parfocal. Those Nikon lenses are very good.
I have an 80-200 and despite seeing 2 lens markings for 80 and 200 on the barrell my tests with a 35mm adapter always showed it to be Parfocal. maybe it does lose focus but the adapter didn't have enough resolution to show it? Hey I just did a search and found I was correct the 80-200 is parfocal and the 80mm marking is for infrared. |
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That's good to know.
To be completely honest, I never ever noticed any breathing with my Sony lenses on my A900: Sony G 70-200 2.8 and Zeiss 24-70 2.8. I would usually zoom all the way in to get perfect focus and then zoom out, and I never saw any focus issues. I also did this to adjust the backfocus settings in the camera which helped the 70-200 a lot with autofocused shots. I will email Roger, the owner to get him to clarify some things. But, I think he didn't have the 80-200 on his list because they don't rent it anymore but B&H sells it. I assume the VR on Nikon lenses doesn't work when used with any adapter because it requires power. |
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Also Consider the Cooke 18-100 T3 Varotal. I just invested in one. Its considered one of the finest zoom lenses ever made. Far superior to the Cooke 20-100 T3.1. It is more expensive than the 20-100 by about double, priced around $15-18,000. There are GREAT deals to be had on these lenses. Angeniuex's are great and can be affordable. I opted for a Cooke only because my primes are Cooke's and i figured they would optically match easier and i can have them serviced at the same place in New Jersey, minutes away from me. |
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Optically its a good lens at a great price, but like all things, you get what you pay for. Ergonomics are where this lens takes a hit. I had to shoot an entire commercial once with neither a mattebox or followfocus because of this lens' previously stated GARGANTUAN size and inability to use INDUSTRY STANDARD COMPONENTS .... Cough*** Cough*** ARRIFF4**** COUGH****. The production studio, a HUGE one in NYC, for some reason packaged all the wrong components with the lens and didn't have anything that was compatible. It was a Green screen shoot so it was no big deal, but had there been one focus pull we would have been done for. This is the problem with a one stop shop production studio providing the gear; there is no check out.... but if there is no checkout its supposed to freakin' work. Its a good lens for an owner operator, but a miserable lens as a rental item. Last time i will ever order one. |
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I think I had been reading too much Reduser and had a real bug up my butt when I wrote that. That and I've been writing too many treatments so I'm typing faster and saying stupid stuff.
I still think it's a decent lens for an owner op who always gets an assistant to haul the whole rig around, AND doesn't mind you have to be careful with a mattebox and FF with it. Really sharp and consistent for $6K. |
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And doesn't mind collimating it every time you look sideways at it :D
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Of course if you take your glass seriosuly, the cooke cxx or the angenieux dp rouges are simply works of art. |
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Any opinions on the Nikon 35-70 and 28-70? Both seem pretty sharp. I hear the 35-70 is sharper, but the little bit of extra range on the 28-70 could be handy. BTW I just shot a background piece for a racing channel on the F3 and thought the 80-200 Nikon (bought new last week) and Tokina 11-16 looked amazing. I also bought a used 80-400 which I'm testing this weekend. It's lighter than the 80-200.
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28-70 is fabulous as well as pretty much parfocal as is the 80 -200 (also fabulous. I agree the 11- 16 is great and so is the 17-35 (also parfocal). haven't tried the 17-55 or the 24 - 70
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I heard the AF-S 80-200 is better than the current 80-200, but I'm more than happy with the images, and it's a lot lighter too. Personally I would use Zeiss Contax if they would fit the F3, but they never made any fast zooms.
I'm wary about buying some used zooms on eBay. You just never can sure how much mechanical (AF and zoom) they had had in their life. The next new lens I will get is the 17-35. |
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Hi Peter
Curious to know how the Nikon 80-400 worked out? There seems to be an incredible range of lens options for this camera and I'm trying to think in terms of a basic set of zooms to give me the same lens length range as my EX with and without my Letus adapter. Wish Sony would get moving and bring out the long lens shown at NAB though the mooted price tag is almost the price of the camera. |
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I did try out a Nikon 24-70 the other day at a rentalhouse and didn't like the fact that the front element moved forward so much when changing zoom . Not matte box friendly. Also I prefer parfovcal lenses as they are much faster to use for B roll.
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The 80-400 is very sharp (at least on HD video). It extends quite a way so no mattebox, but it comes with a very good shady sun hood. The main issue is when the lens is extended past 300mm and especially at 400mm. There is a bit of rattle or movement that results in an image shift when pulling focus. It's not so bad with moving subjects though. I still like and use the lens. It's lighter than the 80-200 and what else is there that's sharp and with the range?
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Here is a list of PARFOCAL lenses: (from lensrentals.com) * Tokina: 11-16mm f/2.8 * Canon: 17-40 f/4 , 16-35 f/2.8 , 70-200 f/2.8 Non-IS * Nikon: 17-35 f/2.8, 24-70 f/2.8 AF-S , 70-200/2.8 VR Mark I (not the Mark II) * Micro 4/3: Panasonic 7-14 f/4 * Standard 4/3: Olympus 11-22 f/2.8-3.5 |
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Thanks,
I couldn't tell for sure when I tested it. It seemed a little off but I was using a cheap nikon to canon adapter on my T2i and that could have thrown it off. Too bad - it makes my firm decision to stick with the 28-70 a little shakier though I still didn't like the front element movement. |
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I've just bough a 28-70. The front element only comes out a bit. many of these lenses do...even the great 35-70. I just found the Tokina equivalent a little soft with low contrast. I think the 28-70 will be a great workhorse.
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I just received my "long zoom": It's Nikon Nikkor 50-300/4.5 ED. Big piece of glass, parafocal and very solid. I got it off eBay from HK, for 1K (no duties in Canada!!). Initial tests are great, as other Nikkors I use...
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My friendly UPS man just dropped off a new and hard-to-get Tokina 16-28, the first in their new full-frame FX series which will presumably include updates of the 28-80 and 80-200 (both of which I have and are serviceable but not great). This looks like a winner, and has the hard stops in manual focus mode which I need.
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Ehhh....but's it's a G lens; no manual F-stops. The Tokina 11-16 drives me nuts but I love the pictures. Considering getting a Duclos 11-16, but they are $3.5K
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