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Douglas Villalba February 8th, 2012 02:18 PM

Test of Alister Chapman's Flat Profile in Color
 
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Testing Alister Chapman's flat setting for the PMW-F3 to see how it hold up in Grading with Color.
I used an old Nikon 50mm f1.4 @ 2.8 with a Fader ND. Recorded to KiPro Mini ProRes HQ.
Shot is the old 7 Mile Bridge on my way back from Key West, FL.
You must see the before to really appreciate it.
Thanks to Alister Chapman for the Flat Setting.


Mark McCarthy February 10th, 2012 07:18 AM

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Is it just me that thinks this doesn't look too good! Sorry, but that's just my opinion.

Vincent Oliver February 10th, 2012 08:28 AM

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Overstaurated springs to mind, the sort of colouring you would see on a 1960 - 1970's postcard . I like the original better.

Douglas Villalba February 10th, 2012 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Mark McCarthy (Post 1714407)
Is it just me that thinks this doesn't look too good! Sorry, but that's just my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Vincent Oliver (Post 1714420)
Overstaurated springs to mind, the sort of colouring you would see on a 1960 - 1970's postcard . I like the original better.

The reason the original has the Allister Chapman's FLAT setting is to record a wider latitude and get detail where otherwise there would have been crushed or blown. The idea of the test is too see how it can handle grading. It is purposely over saturated too show it can handle grading extremely well.

Taste is depending on the environment where you were raised and reside mostly. For example Mark McCarthy has made comments that he likes the Slog before grading and Vincent Oliver likes the un graded version of this video better. Someone from the kind of weather they have in London would be used to seeing most of the time what someone like me on sunny Miami weather would call milky.
Somewhere in the middle would be 709, but London and Miami are two extremes as far as colors.

So now you know, if you are from London and you can't afford Slog you can always use Alister's Flat Setting without grading. Everyone else can use it and grade it to taste.

Vincent Oliver February 10th, 2012 09:38 AM

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We do get some sunshine in London, and our postcards are also oversaturated. Not sure what a Slog is, although I do slog away at work each day.

Here is my version of your shot, maybe I have lived in the dark for too long.

Douglas Villalba February 10th, 2012 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Vincent Oliver (Post 1714434)
maybe I have lived in the dark for too long.

He who asks is a fool for five minutes, but he who does not ask remains a fool forever

He who asks is a fool for five minutes, but he who does not ask remains a fool forever

Paul Ream February 10th, 2012 10:14 AM

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As someone who lives in London and Miami... can't say I've seen the sea that colour in either place!!!

Vincent Oliver February 10th, 2012 10:25 AM

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I agree Douglas, I shall always remain a fool.

Douglas Villalba February 10th, 2012 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Ream (Post 1714442)
As someone who lives in London and Miami... can't say I've seen the sea that colour in either place!!!

I must have touch a nerve with my London comment. I have lived up north in New England where the weather at this tome a year is also flat and milky compared to Miami. Right now in the hight of winter our temperature 75 degrees F and it will provably go up to 80. It just rained a few minutes ago.
Here is attached a picture that I just went outside and took.
By the way, I said I over saaturated for the grading test.
"The reason the original has the Allister Chapman's FLAT setting is to record a wider latitude and get detail where otherwise there would have been crushed or blown. The idea of the test is too see how it can handle grading. It is purposely over saturated too show it can handle grading extremely well."

Edit: By the way Paul the sky was actually gray without a Polarizer. There are 3 different places where the color was purposely altered, the sky and ocean violet, the piling on the bridge warmer and the grass greener.

Vincent Oliver February 10th, 2012 10:57 AM

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No nerves have been touched, we are just green with envy at all that sunshine in Miami.

I think we were just surprised at how much saturation pushing you applied, I don't think you would ever need to apply this much, unless you intend to include some Disney characters. However, you have shown that it is possible to go to an extreme and yet still be able to grade.

Can we Brits have a holiday with you out there in Miami?

Mark McCarthy February 10th, 2012 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Douglas Villalba (Post 1714425)
The reason the original has the Allister Chapman's FLAT setting is to record a wider latitude and get detail where otherwise there would have been crushed or blown. The idea of the test is too see how it can handle grading. It is purposely over saturated too show it can handle grading extremely well.

Taste is depending on the environment where you were raised and reside mostly. For example Mark McCarthy has made comments that he likes the Slog before grading and Vincent Oliver likes the un graded version of this video better. Someone from the kind of weather they have in London would be used to seeing most of the time what someone like me on sunny Miami weather would call milky.
Somewhere in the middle would be 709, but London and Miami are two extremes as far as colors.

So now you know, if you are from London and you can't afford Slog you can always use Alister's Flat Setting without grading. Everyone else can use it and grade it to taste.

I have never said I like S-LOG before grading! My work takes me all over the world so don't worry I can appreciate what certain things look like in certain environments! That clip just doesn't look good, and that opinion doesn't change where you live!

Douglas Villalba February 10th, 2012 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Mark McCarthy (Post 1714455)
I have never said I like S-LOG before grading!

Sorry, It was someone else.

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That clip just doesn't look good, and that opinion doesn't change where you live!
Doesn't look good is a broad statement. What exactly is not good?

Douglas Villalba February 10th, 2012 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Vincent Oliver (Post 1714454)
No nerves have been touched, we are just green with envy at all that sunshine in Miami.

I think we were just surprised at how much saturation pushing you applied, I don't think you would ever need to apply this much, unless you intend to include some Disney characters. However, you have shown that it is possible to go to an extreme and yet still be able to grade.

Can we Brits have a holiday with you out there in Miami?

Sure thing. We will show you some great hospitality from what some people call the closest city to the US. (because of the mixed cultures that lives here.)
Key West for those that don't know is the southern most place in the continental US and it is about 150 miles from Miami. I had one of those days where the advertising agencies drive you insane, so I grabbed my F3 and started driving south just to relax.
I bought the F3 for a feature I shot in October that was all shot inside, so I've never shot with it outside. On my way back I stopped at the old bridge on the video. I wasn't the only one there. As you can see there were locals fishing on the rocks and a whole bunch of tourist from all over the world taking pictures.
So if you are ever in Miami I'll drive you there.

Vincent Oliver February 10th, 2012 12:04 PM

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Thanks Doug,

I will look you up when I am next in Miami. Remind me is it North or South of Washington ?

Doug Jensen February 10th, 2012 12:19 PM

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Speaking of Key West, here's my take on the city with my F3.
No grading. No S-LOG. Just easy shooting with a properly setup camera.



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