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Dano Motley July 12th, 2016 02:04 PM

Re: FS5's XDCAM update
 
Chris,

What do mean by V2? The camera or the software? And can you post the link...

Thanks,

Dano

Jeremy Cole July 12th, 2016 02:21 PM

Re: FS5's XDCAM update
 
Sony appears to be pegging this camera as a less than a professional camera ... too bad, since it is a workhorse for me. The mpeg2 codec would certainly make it more useful. I went online to the Sony Community site and there is no forum for the FS5. it is left out completely. If I had realized that they planned to peg it in this way, I would have made a different choice. I like the camera but I don't like a camera to be pegged for less than it is or can be. Support may suffer. I guess we will see how they treat it over time.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noa Put (Post 1917288)
Sony's decision to withhold the mpeg2 codec from the fs5 but to include it in the x70 is most likely that the x70 is for them a "broadcast ready" camera that can serve a large group of broadcast professionals that depend on that particular codec to deliver to production houses that also demand such a codec. Sony doesn't seem to want the fs5 to be used for that same purpose but they do so for their fs7 (from what I have seen it has that mpeg2 codec?), the only reasoning behind it that I can think of is to protect the fs7 and it's Sony's way of saying, "if you want it all then buy the fs7"


Marcus Durham July 13th, 2016 02:15 AM

Re: FS5's XDCAM update
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Clifton (Post 1917774)
Wow, I was a few days away from grabbing an FS5 when I read that ad floating around that v2 would provide MPEG422. So glad I read this thread just now. Thanks guys. Downloaded the v2 manual and there is no mention of 422. Good grief! That should be standard. Even the z150 has it at half the price. C'mon Sony! Do the right thing.

V2 is the firmware update. 422 4K is supported via external recorders IIRC once a paid upgrade is in place but Sony haven't provided that yet.

As far as I know there is no V2 of the camera. It is just the firmware.

Chris Clifton July 13th, 2016 08:44 AM

Re: FS5's XDCAM update
 
Right, firmware version 2.00. The Sony Professional site has the manual posted that goes the update and there is no mention of MPEG422.

Cliff Totten July 13th, 2016 05:58 PM

Re: FS5's XDCAM update
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeremy Cole (Post 1917780)
Sony appears to be pegging this camera as a less than a professional camera ... too bad, since it is a workhorse for me. The mpeg2 codec would certainly make it more useful. I went online to the Sony Community site and there is no forum for the FS5. it is left out completely. If I had realized that they planned to peg it in this way, I would have made a different choice. I like the camera but I don't like a camera to be pegged for less than it is or can be. Support may suffer. I guess we will see how they treat it over time.

Just curious, does anybody have the opinion that the MPEG-2, 8bit 4:2:2, 50MBp/s, CODEC is a "professional" CODEC but the H.264, 10bit, 4:2:2, 50Mbp/s CODEC is NOT "professional"?

I must say that I really under estimated the current demand today for MPEG-2. I really thought that H.264 had already successfully replaced the majority of the desire for MPEG-2.

I guess I was wrong. I wonder how long MPEG-2 demand will continue for. 2 years?...3 years?...even more?


CT

Glen Vandermolen July 13th, 2016 07:05 PM

Re: FS5's XDCAM update
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Cliff Totten (Post 1917843)
Just curious, does anybody have the opinion that the MPEG-2, 8bit 4:2:2, 50MBp/s, CODEC is a "professional" CODEC but the H.264, 10bit, 4:2:2, 50Mbp/s CODEC is NOT "professional"?

I must say that I really under estimated the current demand today for MPEG-2. I really thought that H.264 had already successfully replaced the majority of the desire for MPEG-2.

I guess I was wrong. I wonder how long MPEG-2 demand will continue for. 2 years?...3 years?...even more?


CT


You kind of answered your own question: the current demand for HD422. It's not us shooters who are picking the format, it's our broadcast clients. I would love for them to take XAVC-L, and in time they might do so. I try to sell XAVC when I can, but the clients have the final say.

Samer Aslan July 14th, 2016 04:55 AM

Re: FS5's XDCAM update
 
Most of my clients ask for mpeg-2 422 50mbp/s and with my pmw-200 and X200 i give them this format,and often copy mxf files to a professional disc or a hard disk.
I know FS5 wasn't made for the "broadcast" world but it's really silly to think about the X70 as a broadcast little camera and not the FS5! like i said before in this thread i would have gladly pay for this upgrade.
Now the only option I have is using my lovely/priceless Nanoflash to record the mxf file from it so i can give my clients what they demand.

Kevin Langdon July 27th, 2016 06:23 AM

Re: FS5's XDCAM update
 
Just passing on information from a broadcast equipment supplier...he's been told that there should be announcement about this from Sony at IBC.

It will be interesting to see if this becomes a reality or not...

Glen Vandermolen August 1st, 2016 05:26 AM

Re: FS5's XDCAM update
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin Langdon (Post 1918359)
Just passing on information from a broadcast equipment supplier...he's been told that there should be announcement about this from Sony at IBC.

It will be interesting to see if this becomes a reality or not...

Thanks, Kevin! I hope it's good news.

Glen Vandermolen September 9th, 2016 01:29 PM

Re: FS5's XDCAM update
 
And now it's official!

IBC 2016: Sony PXW-FS5 Gets MPEG2 HD 422 Recording as Paid Upgrade License | 4K Shooters

Doug Jensen September 9th, 2016 01:41 PM

Re: FS5's XDCAM update
 
Just one more illustration of what a fantastic value the FS7 is.

Marcus Durham September 9th, 2016 06:23 PM

Re: FS5's XDCAM update
 
Paying for features that are locked down otherwise. When did cameras turn into video games? Pay for the game, then keep getting rinsed for the extra features you need to play it to the maximum.

This stuff should have been built into the camera from the start. Although since the cameras shipped in an unfinished state perhaps Sony spied an opportunity to make a few quid from the broadcast market.

Thankfully unless a broadcast client is forcing your hand, most of us won't need to stump up for this. But it's still a pretty poor show from Sony. I could accept it if it was for 50 dollars, but for nearly 500 dollars? Come on!

Docea Marius September 9th, 2016 09:46 PM

Re: FS5's XDCAM update
 
This codec is only for HD ? no 50p,no 4k?

Doug Jensen September 10th, 2016 09:37 AM

Re: FS5's XDCAM update
 
MPEG HD 422 (aka, XDCAM) can never do better than 1080P @ 30 fps with 8-bit color on any camera the offers that codec.

It's an excellent broadcast quality codec, but it's not capable of more exotic functions, such as 4K and high frame rates. That's why XAVC was created.


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