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Shiv Kumar October 29th, 2007 04:08 AM

Charles,

Gosh, that just made my life a lot more difficult! :). That's some really serious experience.

I've seen some of your film work but to be honest I get to engrossed in the film I don't notice a lot of this kind of thing.

Do you have a website? I'd just love to take a look at your "reel".

Shiv.

Jack Walker October 29th, 2007 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Shiv Kumar (Post 766533)
Charles,...

... Do you have a website? I'd just love to take a look at your "reel".
Shiv.

http://www.charlespapert.com/
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0660435/

Charles Papert October 31st, 2007 07:14 PM

Thanks Jack!

I always forget that there is a little treasure trove of complete shots over at steadishots.org (where you can also see many of the true legends of our occupation's work).

Mine are here:

http://www.steadishots.org/shots_operator.cfm?opID=10

Nick Tsamandanis October 31st, 2007 11:58 PM

Hey Charles, your thankyou video is frigging hilarious. Your just as good in front of the lens as you are behind it.

Peter Chung November 1st, 2007 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Nick Tsamandanis (Post 768228)
Hey Charles, your thankyou video is frigging hilarious. Your just as good in front of the lens as you are behind it.

Yeah, Chazzie, that was hilarious! Can we see you spin balance? LOL

Terry Thompson November 1st, 2007 10:19 AM

Chas,

OK, so you can act...a little. The video is correct about the steadicam operator getting a lot of attention. About the girls, well maybe not but yes on the attention.

Good to watch.

Tery
Indicam

Mikko Wilson November 2nd, 2007 03:34 PM

BWAHAHAHAHAA!!!! Charles, that Thank-you video is HILLARIOUS!

"He's gotta be a 3-second guy" had me quite literally in tears. I think I just woke up half the neighborhood laughing. Oh my tummy hurts.

- Mikko

Chris Hurd November 2nd, 2007 04:35 PM

Haw, haw, haw! What a riot... the "Garrett Brown thank you" clip from the Scrubs set had me in stitches. Now I just have to figure out what to put under his name as a custom user title... Chazzie, Three second guy? Steadicam is sooo hot? Can't fit all of those in; gotta make a decision.

Charles Papert November 3rd, 2007 03:50 PM

"Steadicam is so hot" has a backstory...while on a series years ago (and single), a really attractive young extra with whom I'd been chatting sidled up to me just before a take and said "when I first saw you put the rig on this morning, I thought to myself; Steadicam is so hot"! I immediately assumed she was kidding but as she walked away she shot me a smoldering look that said anything but.

I figured that was a come-on worth following up, but they wrapped background soon after and I never saw her again. She probably married the Steadicam operator on the next set she worked on...

Matthew Galvin November 16th, 2007 02:33 PM

Tai Chi
 
For those of you experiencing problems with the Merlin and small rig stabilization, try taking a Tai Chi Chu'an course from your local martial arts organization. This will help with balance and coordination.
You might also consider visitng a chiropractor or a Rolfer (no, not a Golfer), to determine how your posture and stance can be corrected.

Charles Papert November 16th, 2007 08:32 PM

While it certainly can't hurt to practice Tai Chi or work on one's posture, the handheld stabilizers are somewhat less affected by this sort of thing than the full-size rigs. A handheld system doesn't "know" about the position of one's spine or hips, only that which is reflected through the operator's arms, whereas the the body-mount systems will be reflect lower-body influence more directly. It certainly is useful to learn how to walk smoothly when operating a handheld rig, but that should be part of the vocabulary of every person who operates a camera because this is directly related to the success of their handheld work. Certainly, the less jarring that is delivered from the lower torso, the less invasion into the stability of the handheld stabilizer from both arms. For most this will be more easily seen in the guide hand that is operating the rig itself; erratic motion will translate via the fingers into an overly active and jerky frame in the angular (pan, tilt, roll) axes. In Sam's case (my apologies Sam, your thread got hijacked because of my silly video over at steadishots) the support hand is the one that is seeing more influence from the body because it is that one that is responsible for isolating the spatial axes (forward/backward, sideways, up and down motion).

Having studied the video of Sam at work, it remains a mystery to me why he has experienced such a degree of bobbing as his form seems fine. Sam, it's been a while since you first posted--have you found the issue diminishing over time, as I suspected it would? Very often with Steadicam, the body "learns" how to reduce negative influences on the rig in a way that is hard to define or quantify. Watching an experienced Steadicam operator, most people think that the rig simply does all the work for you because they make it look so "easy"--in other words, the operator appears relatively relaxed with no wasted effort or extraneous movement. Some operators who are quite good do however have somewhat questionable posture--they've learned how to accomodate this in their operating so it doesn't screw up the shot, but they are likely to pay the price in wear-and-tear on the body down the road. Chris Fawcett's treatise on Steadicam posture has some great images that demonstrate do's and don'ts. Mostly these are aimed at full-size rig operators but I regularly hear from those flying smaller rigs complaining of sore backs etc. and I feel sure that much of this comes via the same issue. I am relieved to say that at the last Cinegear, Chris gave me an assessment of my operating posture and had only minor suggestions--dodged that bullet!

Terry Thompson November 17th, 2007 02:35 AM

Thanks Chas!

Tery
Indicam

Jack Walker November 23rd, 2007 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Charles Papert (Post 776840)
While it certainly can't hurt to practice Tai Chi or work on one's posture....

As I suggested some time back, I still strongly recommend adult ballet classes.

Along with proper movement, I would say there's a timing sense something akin to smoothly getting on and off of escalators of varying speeds, that working the full body with music can improve.

But just like pro athletes are in a class all their own, I believe the best steadicam operators are born with the "it" that it takes to be great.

Christopher Warwick December 31st, 2008 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Shiv Kumar (Post 747140)
I've only just got my Steadicam Merlin today and posted a few samples on the Clips area for the XH A1 newsgroup..

Have you ever tried to use a DOF adapter on it? If so, what were the results?

Ian Newland January 9th, 2009 10:52 PM

Something that has helped me a lot, is mounting a small pointing laser on the rig (i use a Fig Rig) and try and keep the projected spot in the same place as you walk. I do this on a Jet Ski as it bobs and it allows me to take my eyes off the monitor for a while.

Cheers Ian

Danny O'Neill January 10th, 2009 12:50 PM

Something else to consider is the cameras builtin optical image stabilizer.

I sometimes have it on, sometimes off.

If im doing fast movement I have it on to compensate for any minor vibrations as I run. If im going slow I turn it off as it tried to compensate for my own movements, makes it hard to move when the camera is trying to go in the opposite direction.


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