Fair use of my copyrighted work???
I am an event videographer who specializes in dance performances. I recently discovered excerpts of several of my copyrighted videos on YouTube, obviously posted without my permission, and with no credit given to me. I used the process YouTube provides to have them removed as a violation of my copyright. It worked.
Then I contacted the owner of the dance school from which all of the incidents occured, and informed her that this was not OK and she needed to tell her students not to do that. The school itself had used some of my video, ill informed and ill advised. I told the owner that I would be happy to produce clips for her at no charge to promote her school (a not-for-profit) and they would be up to my standards, with my full permission. I also informed the parents at the school that I would be happy to produce audition videos for their kids for a fee. I do this as a service, and my work is very high quality. I provide a dozen copies of a 10 minute audition video for $250, which includes one on-site visit at their studio to do some custom shooting. I will also compile segments of my raw performance video to highlight their dancer for audition purposes-- as long as the dance school/company/choreographer give their permission to use it, and this isn't typically a problem. I think most of you would agree that $250 is CHEAP for what they're getting, and might even criticize me for giving away the store. But I think it is a reasonable fee, and it is a valuable service for those who would rather send audition videos all over the country than travel there in person for an audition. SO.... Here's my issue. A parent asked me to post a clip of her daughter on YouTube. I said I would be happy to for a fee. Later she came back and told me her husband is a copyright lawyer, and he said they should be allowed to use a clip from my DVD that I copyrighted and sold to the general public under the Fair Use exception of the copyright law. I have already checked out this link to the Fair Use section of US Copyright Code-- very helpful by the way: U.S. Copyright Office - Fair Use SO HERE IS MY QUESTION: Is it fair use for someone who acquired one of my copyrighted performance DVDs to extract and use a portion of that performance to post on YouTube or produce their own audition DVD without my permission? I think YouTube's service agreement protects me, and it's easy for me to police and remove. I am more concerned about the DVDs. |
Here's a question that might bear on the answer.
Who owns the copyright to the music in the performance? |
I knew that would come up. Well aware of all the music related copyright issues. What does that have to do with Fair Use?
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So you HAVE the right to reproduce and sell performances of copywritten music?
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In the law, its called the clean hands doctrine. If your hands are dirty, why would the court slap someone elses.
If you want to be technical about it, I guess the real issue is this, do you have rights to the music, and did you secure rights from each peformer and secure those rights exclusively. I am wondering if it would be possible for Mr. copyright lawyer to sue you for using his childs image or performance in a DVD you sold, without his permission. Be careful about the can of worms you may open. |
I posted before I read the two replies above about the "clean hands" law, and I get it. I do have releases from the dancers, including his daughter. I do own the rights for performances in question, which include public domain music.
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You live in Georgia, and each state may have different laws that can interact and affect federal copyright law. Photographing of children without explicit permission, may raise issues. You have a complicated set of facts here, that requires review by an attorney of any release documents, contracts, local and federal laws. Get advice from a local attorney, if it is a big issue. But to your question of Copyright attorney himself breaking the law, your standing to protect someone elses copyright rights is the issue. You likely don't have the right to enforce someone elses copyright rights, unless there is statutory provision that provides for it, or you have been assigned the right. |
Not the hill I'd be willing to die on.
Maybe it is fair use, maybe it's not. Are you ready to spend thousands of $$ on a lawsuit to find out? It's not like you can call 911 and ask for the copyright police. I provide good service at reasonable rates. If someone is determined to do an end-run around my policies, I'm not going to lose sleep over it. |
Excellent advice, Chris and Steve, and you really helped me answer my own question. I have neither the money nor the inclination to take anyone to court over this. But I am inclined to stop doing business with clients who cause me more trouble than they're worth!
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"Public Domain Music" - in what sense are you using that phrase? Did they dance to a recording of a piece of classical music? Then you have to have the rights to use that recording, from the publisher. Did they dance to a piece of classical music performed by the local school band? Do you have the rights to the performance of those musicians?
A lot of people throw around the word 'public domain' with the same abandon they toss around the phrase 'fair use'. It can be a little more complicated than a lot of websites would like you to believe. I think you've figured out that the copyright attorney, is willing to go toe to toe with you on this. He might be right, he might be calling your bluff. Frankly no one here is going to give you legal advice, including the copyright/IP attorney who regularly visits the forum. |
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***SO HERE IS MY QUESTION: Is it fair use for someone who acquired one of my copyrighted performance DVDs to extract and use a portion of that performance to post on YouTube or produce their own audition DVD without my permission?***
They will copy it and you can’t really stop them. I talked to an old broadcaster about this and the only tried and proven method is to take pre orders only (tell the parents it is ONLY available to buy before the event). If the number of pre orders is to low then don’t waste your time. |
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Jerry,
Two observations, one is that what the guy is doing is wrong... but is it really going to impact/damage your business? Two is he's an attorney, and that means he can pretty much do whatever he can argue in Court (trust me on this nightmare, attorneys are damn close to above the law, as are politicians who also are mostly attorneys... go figure). Remember the Bozo with the million dollar pants suit against a dry cleaner... put them out of business even though they won. Probably just better to refuse service in the future, and realize some people are just not terribly ethical, which is different from ignorant. Ignorance may be no excuse, but complete lack of ethics... that takes a special license in the good ol' USA. |
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As a general proposition, posting protected expression on YouTube without permission is not Fair Use. Without seeing the clip in question, as well as the DVD from which it is extracted, I couldn't give an opinion. Incidentally, are you obtaining rights to the music used to accompany the dancers? |
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The issues I was raising, rather inartfully, was about rights to sell video of the performances and the actual filming of the children without parental consent. While I haven't researched the law, if Videographer Al talks to Dance school owner Betty, and gets permission to film a dance recital and produce a Disk for sale to her customers, does he need to assure he has right to video tape those performances and profit from them, with respect to the individual performers? This is an issue always in the back of the mind of event videographers, especially at school events. |
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I agree that most atorneys don't abuse the system, but others make a career of it (to put it bluntly the law and "privilege" grants them far more leeway than anyone should have), and for Jerry's sake, thought it important to point out. No one needs legal hassles, and an attorney who will wave his status in your face and threaten you with it is a red flag - don't do business or be prepared to defend yourself. Just a word to the wise. FWIW, I've got lots of attorneys I consider to be friends, and who I know to be ethical... so don't take it personally <wink>! |
Paul,
Thanks for weighing in, you're thoughts are always valued and appreciated. |
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Is it -her- kid in the video?
Personally, I think you may have legal ground to stand on, but not moral ground. It would be one thing if she put the entire DVD online, but just the parts with -her- daughter in it aren't enough to get snippy about. It would be one thing if she asked for a custom package (a service you provide) and then didn't pay you. This is more like: "My daughter was in a movie! I'm so proud of her!" kind of thing. You could ask them to take it down, and you might win, but then you're the guy who made a six year old girl cry. It's a bad situation, and one of the reasons I avoid children. I'd just go ahead and let them have it, just make sure that you're properly credited as the photographer, with a link to where they can buy the full video, and chalk it up to some publicity. |
Wow. I am officially over it, but I appreciate the enthusiasm with which you have all participated in this discussion! I have come to the conclusion that this was a silly thing for me to get upset about. There are much bigger fish to fry.
For the record, the daughter was mortified at the prospect of being posted on YouTube. She HATED her performance. This was all about the mom. I don't mind the kids. It's the CRAZY MOMS that I want to avoid! |
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