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Scott Jaco February 12th, 2007 02:30 PM

Google Ad-Words worth the money?
 
Hi,

Does anyone else on here use Google AdWords to promote their business.
I've been using it the past 2 months and have received 236 clicks but I have yet to receive 1 call or e-mail through adwords.

Is this a waste of money?

Kit Hannah February 12th, 2007 02:49 PM

It depends on what you're doing, but it usually only works for the bigger companies. It's not very cost effective. What I would do is spend the money instead on some really nice business cards, maybe a brochure or a video highlight type DVD of past work you have done and give those out to potential customers. Also, targeted emailing with a decent website always helps, and doesn't cost you anything. If you know of companies doing events in your town, or schools, etc - try making contact by email or going in and dropping off a DVD of what you can do.

Scott Jaco February 12th, 2007 03:30 PM

Those are great ideas.

I also think you are right about AdWords not being for the "little guys". It's too expensive. It seems like $3 per click isn't even enough to land my ad on the first page of results for the "wedding video" keyword.

Steven Davis February 12th, 2007 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott Jaco
Those are great ideas.

I also think you are right about AdWords not being for the "little guys". It's too expensive. It seems like $3 per click isn't even enough to land my ad on the first page of results for the "wedding video" keyword.

Hey Scott,

One of the best things you can do for your website is to keep it up to date, making changes etc. Google likes activity.

And by the way, I'm glad you're not in my area with those prices. Hehe. You are very economical. I'm not cracking on you. Nice picture of the camera btw.

Scott Jaco February 12th, 2007 03:53 PM

Thanks.

I think craigslist has been more successful for me because it seems more localized. A potential client can select the city and the type of service they want and find people in their area.

When people see an ad on google, the company could be located ANYWHERE in the country. You are stuck being a needle in a haystack.

I’m charging about half of what I feel my service & experience is worth. It’s the price you pay to compete in a place like LA. Too many wannabe filmmakers & directors trying to make a few bucks on the side I guess.

I still lose gigs to people that are more "affordable"

Steven Davis February 12th, 2007 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott Jaco
Thanks.

I think craigslist has been more successful for me because it seems more localized. A potential client can select the city and the type of service they want and find people in their area.

When people see an ad on google, the company could be located ANYWHERE in the country. You are stuck being a needle in a haystack.

I’m charging about half of what I feel my service & experience is worth. It’s the price you pay to compete in a place like LA. Too many wannabe filmmakers & directors trying to make a few bucks on the side I guess.

I still lose gigs to people that are more "affordable"


Hey Scott, I thought about your location as soon as I hit [Submit Reply]. I didn't mean anything by it. Eventually you'll either want to move to a non-saturated area or you'll find your nitch. That's good that Craigs List is working for you. It's all about trial and error, unfortunately, it can be expensive trial and error. The most money I've ever tossed was on a bridal gown chain. It was an expensive marketing lesson.

Jim Michael February 12th, 2007 04:21 PM

The best thing you can do for Web exposure is to come up with a freebie that will drive traffic to your site. A good article such as a project planning guide will, over time, result in numerous links to your website.

Josh Chesarek February 12th, 2007 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott Jaco
Thanks.
When people see an ad on google, the company could be located ANYWHERE in the country. You are stuck being a needle in a haystack.


Google allows businesses to Advertise in any Zip code they want or Nation wide. You are correct it would be pointless to advertise a area based business if you couldn't target your own area. I film soccer games for my college and have had 1 parent find me because of it who never knew that I sold copies of the games. I still have credit from my webhost so I havent paid for anything. I have had 30 clicks to my website so far. I probably wouldn't pay for it out of pocket as word of Mouth does seem better for me but I am not activly trying to use the system.

Scott Jaco February 12th, 2007 06:11 PM

I'm aware that you can select the zipcodes w/ Adwords. I selected LA & the surrounding areas.

Like I said, I got 236 clicks in 2 months without any response.

I wonder if Google "pings" the number of clicks so they can charge you more?

Seems strange that I didn't get a single response. I've suspended the account indefinitely. I'm tired of throwing money away on them.

Scott Jaco February 12th, 2007 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Steven Davis
Eventually you'll either want to move to a non-saturated area or you'll find your nitch.

Know of any good un-saturated areas to set up an event video business?

I'll move there tomorrow!

Kit Hannah February 13th, 2007 02:16 AM

Holy Hell, $3 per click? I thought it was in the .25 cent range. You just threw away one of your platinum packages, Scott! Seriously though, It looks like you have a decent thing going. $800 for a single camera is not too bad, but you could do better, especially with the equipment you're using. We can get $300 just for the rental of a JVC HD-110.

The client that you're appealing to is always going to be questioning you versus the lower priced guy. You could be charging $5000 for the same thing, and a different set of clients is going to tell you their guy will do it for $4500. That's the way business works. You just have to show them why you're the guy to go with. Are you offering a little more? Do you produce better work? Are you going to give them better customer service? If the answer is no to any of those questions, they probably should go with the lower priced guy.

If you're happy with $800, but think you're worth $1600 for the same thing, why not advertise $1600 then come down a bit on your prices if need be - you can negotiate a rate and probably still come out ahead, and the client will feel like they have gotten a good deal. Everybody wants a deal.

Scott Jaco February 13th, 2007 10:07 AM

I've tried rasing my rates. A few months back I added $100 to each of my three packages. I didn't land a client for 2 months straight until I lowered my prices back to where they are now.

I truely believe that video is undervalued because of the public perception generated by these $200 1-chip camcorders that flood the consumer market.

When they hire a videographer, their expectations are really low. They only expect it to look slightly better than a home movie. That is the perception I am fighting against when I'm selling my services to clients.

Again, Los Angeles is the toughest places to start a video business. You can either charge a small amount and get some work, or charge a lot and get nothing.

Until I have a really steady flow of work, I have to just deal.

Jason Robinson February 14th, 2007 12:29 PM

The next one...
 
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Originally Posted by Scott Jaco
I truely believe that video is undervalued because of the public perception generated by these $200 1-chip camcorders that flood the consumer market.

Feel free to use my idea, but I think my next wedding will be filmd wiht at least 2 cameras.... one of them will be a bottom of the pile consumer point and film manned by someone with out a tripod standing in the back of the room. The other camera will be my rig after my full editing. I don't feel that is dishonest, I think it accurately represents what "Uncle Bob" can do for the client versus what we can do.

Then I plan to edit the Bob footage in to a demo reel that demonstrates what they may get from Bob versus me, even using a split screen to show the same scene side by side.

Of course, I need to get another wedding client in order to be able to do that. :-)

jason

Scott Jaco February 14th, 2007 07:31 PM

That is awesome!

Martin Pauly February 15th, 2007 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Jason Robinson
Of course, I need to get another wedding client in order to be able to do that. :-)

Yes, with a bride that is willing to look bad on one of the two videos (at least in the side by side comparison) - good luck with that! :-)

- Martin

Adam Bray March 7th, 2007 06:58 AM

Scott,

I know a little bit about internet marketing. I'll see if I can help. Here's my opinion on your situation.

Adwords for for a local service like yours is pretty much worthless. It's better for people selling trinkets and services nationwide. You're going to pay top dollar for keywords such as "wedding videos" and you can't really control who clicks the ads. Wanna-be brides with pounding biological clocks in backwoods Maine could be clicking your ad, which costs you money and is no help to you.

I looked at your site. It's my opinion that it's bad and is costing you money. A website is what gives you browsers their first impression about your business. Yours does not leave a great impression. Im not trying to be harsh, but trying to help so please don't take it the wrong way. I'd would keep my eye out for a site design you like while you surf. Find out who made it, and hire them do redesign yours.

Content

Another thing is it has no content to make it "sticky". By "sticky" I mean there's nothing on there to keep browsers looking through it, and nothing to make them come back. I would add an "articles" section. Find (or write yourself) articles about weddings, corporate seminars, etc and post as many on there as you possibly can. Give brides and people looking for your service something to look at, read and make them drool. This can be anything wedding related. Rings, dresses, wedding planning, locations, etc. On top of that search engines love content. It gives them something to "crawl" and put in the database. That way if one of your articles contains the words "big fat wedding rings" and a bride searches for that term, your website might come up on the search.

Links

The site has no links. What I would do is add a links section. Find LOCAL jewelers, wedding planners, dress makers, photographers, etc who are in the wedding business or something video production related and have websites. Ask to exchanges links with them. But don't put your links section up in big letters at the top. You don't want browsers clicking the links and leaving your site. Tuck the links section down at the bottom somewhere. This is benificial to both of you. Both will have sites chasing the same market, but don't compete and you can drive traffic to each others web sites. Also like before, search engines love links. Thats how they find your site. They are like little doorways inviting them in. If Jane's Dress Shop has a link to your site from theirs and Google crawls Jane's site, it will find your link and go crawl your site too. The more links you have going to your site, the better.

Content spam

What you are trying to do is sell video services. Content spam that site! What I mean is on your site, and in your content articles that you write, you want the words "wedding videos" or "video production" or whatever in there as much as possible and everywhere else as much as possble on the site without making it too obvious. A good expample of this is on the site myweddingfavors.com They do an AAAAA++++ job at doing this. Look at their site. See how many times you see the words "wedding favors" on there. It's ALL OVER IT, but not too obvious to the casual viewer. There's a reason they do this, and it's not for the people shopping the site. It's for the search engine spiders to pick up to increase search engine rankings and get more free traffic.

Toot your own horn.

Ad a section where "customers" have written you letters telling you how great a job you did on their video. You can even make them up and write them yourself. It's unethical, but it works like a charm, gains trust from the browers and will increase business. Also instead of making it look like a one man show, design the site so it looks like you are bigger than you are. Don't say "me", say "we". Don't list yourself as the owner/producer. It makes you look like a one man band and amateurish. Make it look you you have employees doing the dirty work and you're just the contact. Post still pictures on the site of "behind the scenes" shots of you looking like a Hollywood camera man trying to get difficult shots. People are impressed easy. Remove the pics of the camera and the FCP pic. Brides don't know what that stuff is and don't care. It's a waste of space. Replace it with you "Hollywood" shots or something that will impress them or gain their trust and earn your business.


Anyways, I hope I helped a little bit. If you follow those simple things traffic to your site will increase a ton, you'll get more business and best of all....it's free!

good luck.

Steven Davis March 7th, 2007 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Adam Bray (Post 637497)
Scott,

Wanna-be brides with pounding biological clocks in backwoods Maine could be clicking your ad, which costs you money and is no help to you.

LoL that made me laugh. Very good points though.

The only two cents I would add is, there are two lines of thought on linking to other professionals off your website. In a highly competitive market like I am in, I wouldn't link to other because I wouldn't want to offend any one else. I think it keeps the free market flowing if you don't clique up. But that's just my opinion.

One thing we offer though is names of other vendors who are good, and the few we have worked with that were horrible.

Kit Hannah March 7th, 2007 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Steven Davis (Post 637515)
One thing we offer though is names of other vendors who are good, and the few we have worked with that were horrible.

IMHO, I would not post negative things about any company on your site, as it could be viewed as slander. If someone were posting negative things that were not true about our company, we would contact a lawyer.

Steven Davis March 7th, 2007 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Kit Hannah (Post 637802)
IMHO, I would not post negative things about any company on your site, as it could be viewed as slander. If someone were posting negative things that were not true about our company, we would contact a lawyer.

I didn't say we posted anything on our site, I said we don't post anything on our site. Or am I misunderstanding your statement.

Jim Michael March 7th, 2007 05:07 PM

There are several comments re everyone in the country/world hitting your site because of the search terms in your Ad Words ads. This would indicate a poor choice of search terms and a tremendous waste of advertising dollars. If someone is searching for a wedding videographer and they live in Atlanta, Georgia their best bet in getting a non-SEO-spam-laden result set should be something like ["wedding videographer" Atlanta]. Your Ad Words search terms should cover other likely searches as well such as ["wedding consultants" Atlanta], etc. Use the power of multiple words in proper context.

Kit Hannah March 7th, 2007 06:20 PM

I think I misunderstood what you said, Steven.......

Scott Jaco March 10th, 2007 02:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Adam Bray (Post 637497)
I looked at your site. It's my opinion that it's bad and is costing you money.

I’m getting to the point where I would like to re-design the website. Most of your suggestions make sense. Keep in mind, I created the website myself with a freewebs account. It’s basic and clean, without a bunch of clutter.

I liked your idea about the testimonials and articles. I also want to put some behind the scenes photos, instead of photos of my gear.

An important point, I’m not trying to sell myself as a “wedding only” videographer. Although it seems I get a lot of phone calls for this type of work. I want to do more corporate work. I don’t want my website to have a bunch of flowers and hearts all over it.

I’m still a pretty new business so I’m building my portfolio and charging very cheap rates. As I gain more experience and my confidence grows, my website will definitely reflect that. Hopefully it won’t have the “one-man band” vibe you described.

James Emory May 6th, 2007 11:56 PM

I would not use pay per click advertising if I were you. I read an interesting article about how competitors of those that used pay per click ads would hire roomfulls of people to intentionally click on their competitors ads to completely deplete their advertising budgets with very little if none of the clicks being from paying customers.

John Pritchard May 24th, 2007 01:14 AM

I agree with everyone else here. I would cut my losses and stop all of my adwords campaigns if I were you. When I ran my adwords campaigns it was exactly the same thing...I found that I was getting all sorts of clicks that were costing me an arm and a leg ($3-$4 per click...for nothing). In the end - I think I paid close to $900 in total adwords expenses for 2 responses.

I found the best way to promote my business was as follows:

1) I wrote a few articles and press releases for my company, and submitted them to free PR agencies & article distribution houses.
2) I engaged in viral video campaigns - placing my demo reel and sample videos on services like YouTube, etc.
3) I created a vidcast (podcast with video) and had it available in the iTunes music store (I loved being able to say "Look me up on iTunes!")

Hope that helps.


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