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Alain Bellon March 31st, 2006 01:44 PM

New Film Look and color correction software
 
I am a relatively new user of this forum, and it has been a very enjoyable experience. So I am releasing this information here first...

After 10 years of experience with CG and 3D graphics programming Mente Magica released a new software application for color correction and "film-look":

tungsten|SOLID: CinemantiQ

Unlike other solutions, this is a stand alone application. The ease of use is unprecedented, due to a UI design that gives you instant feedback and many actively visual controls. You will be working on your own project in less than 5 minutes.

Aside from that, it is really fast when compared to some AfterEffects plugins or with manually created layered effects. (quick setup and quick rendering!)

Some features:

-Color correction (3-point histogram+hue, tint, saturation, RGB channels)
-Diffusion and Bloom simulation
-Bleach bypass physical simulation
-Gradient lens
-Simple noise reduction + grain
-Video block segmentation
-Preset library (more than 50 looks included and more coming)
-Smart fast deinterlace
-180° rotation for 35mm DOF adapter users
-Batch processing
-Pdf manual + flash tutorials
-Fast and affordable

You are invited to take a look at:

http://mentemagica.com

Here is the press release information: http://dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=64101

Also, there is an introductory offer of $99.99 USD for the first 99 sales. (Retail price is $350)

Comments, suggestions and questions welcome.

Chris Barcellos March 31st, 2006 02:07 PM

Okay Alan, I ve ordered and am downloading set up now.

Alain Bellon March 31st, 2006 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Barcellos
Okay Alan, I ve ordered and am downloading set up now.

Excellent Chris. You may PM me if you have any particular questions.

Chris Barcellos March 31st, 2006 02:34 PM

These questions will be asked by others, I am sure, too, so here are some 1st Questions:

1. I m trying an HDV file. Is that going to work ?

2. How do I get to .pdf Manual and Flash training.

3. What are possible output selection in terms of file formats.

Comments: Interface looks pretty nice, now to see what we can make of it.

Alain Bellon March 31st, 2006 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Barcellos
These questions will be asked by others, I am sure, too, so here are some 1st Questions:

1. I m trying an HDV file. Is that going to work ?.

For input, CinemantiQ should have no problem reading your HVD file provided you have the appropriate DirectShow codecs. For output you will need a type 2 codec, I do not know if the HDV codec you have is compatible with VfW and type 2 DV. Go to render movie and the Video tab will show all available codecs for output. Keep in mind that not all codecs support all kinds of resolution. For production work I usually recommend the HuffYUV codec for output since it is a lossless compressor that will preserve your video quality until the final encoding. You can find the HuffYUV codec here: http://www.free-codecs.com/download/HuffYUV.htm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Barcellos
2. How do I get to .pdf Manual and Flash training..

You can either find the PDF file in the installation directory or simply click on the Help menu to get to the reference guide. The Flash tutorials can be accessed through the PDF, or by manually opening the HTML files in the installation directory.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Barcellos
3. What are possible output selection in terms of file formats..

The output formats are AVI (supported codecs) and BMP, JPG, TGA sequences.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Barcellos
Comments: Interface looks pretty nice, now to see what we can make of it.

Thank you. I hope you can make cool stuff with it.

Riley Harmon April 1st, 2006 01:02 AM

says that it has smart deinterlacer...does it also do the math to go to 24p?

Alain Bellon April 1st, 2006 10:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riley Harmon
says that it has smart deinterlacer...does it also do the math to go to 24p?

It doesn't do 24p conversion yet. But it is planned for the next version. The smart deinterlacing will just turn interlaced frames (2 fields) into "progressive" ones.

Joe Pasarela April 2nd, 2006 09:47 AM

Ok, I bought a copy and have been playing with it for the last hour or so. Two things though. Even when I check off the Save Audio option, I'm not gettting any audio in the output file. For input and output I'm using the CineForm HD codec. Second, there's no 23.976 framerate output option. Other than that it seems like a really nice app. Good speed and nice, clean interface.

Joe

Joe Pasarela April 2nd, 2006 12:24 PM

I found one more problem. The codec config panel doesn't appear even when I have the Show Codec Config Panel option checked. It doesn't matter what output codec I have selected.

Alain Bellon April 2nd, 2006 01:05 PM

Joe,

I will verify if there is an issue with the cineform audio stream, and add the 23.976 framerate option. (actually I believe that if you select 24 and your source is 23.976 it will preserve the source's 23.976)

Also will check on the codec configuration panel not showing, but I will need your machine specs and your cineform codec version. I have contacted you privately.

Alain Bellon April 2nd, 2006 05:29 PM

A new option for 23.976 frame rate has been added, and Cineform users should have no problems. Audio stream is recorded now and the codec configuration panel is displayed on request.

A new updated version is being sent to all customers.

Thank you Joe for letting us now.

Joe Pasarela April 2nd, 2006 05:31 PM

Thanks for the superb support Alain. Gotta love indy developers :)

Joe

Anthony Auci April 3rd, 2006 10:43 AM

I shoot with a dvx100a will the software work well with 24p ?

Don Donatello April 3rd, 2006 11:33 AM

is the software internal 8 bit processing ?
or can it process 10 & 16 bit if one has the codec's ?

John L Scott April 3rd, 2006 01:18 PM

updates
 
Is the latest updates in the the software that you can download? I just bought and downloaded it and got to thinking about the updates. Thanks

Alain Bellon April 3rd, 2006 01:19 PM

Antony, I'll be able to answer your question shortly.

Don, 8-bit for the moment.

John, you got the updated version.

One thing, we cannot monitor the forums as closely as we would like, so if you email me directly we can provide a much faster response. The contact email is on the mentemagica.com webpage (or send email from the forum).

Dare Kent April 3rd, 2006 04:52 PM

free upgrades
 
At some point this will deinterlace and go to 24fps, as per an earlier email. Will future updates/upgrades be free or will there be a charge? Thanks.

Marc Colemont April 6th, 2006 10:12 AM

Is this software to be used on Mac or PC? I can't tell from the website...

Alain Bellon April 6th, 2006 10:21 AM

Dare,

We are working, due to popular demand, on the 60i -> 24p conversion. So if all goes well it will be incorporated into this version of the software at no extra cost.

Marc,

This is PC Windows software, we will make some changes to the website to make it more clear (it currently states the system requirements at the bottom of the CinemantiQ page).

Marc Colemont April 6th, 2006 10:47 AM

Thanks Alain for the quick reply.

Dino Santoro April 9th, 2006 09:48 AM

Is there a Mac version in the works?

Marc Colemont April 9th, 2006 11:09 AM

Alain,

I bought the software and tested some footage with it.
Awesome software and it's stable which is very important too.
Keep de presets coming please.

Matt Gottshalk April 9th, 2006 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dino Santoro
Is there a Mac version in the works?

Ditto....?

Jaime Espiritu April 9th, 2006 06:45 PM

New Film Look and color correction software
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Marc Colemont
Alain,

I bought the software and tested some footage with it.
Awesome software and it's stable which is very important too.
Keep de presets coming please.

I agree. I just purchased the program and it's awesome!

Ben Freedman April 10th, 2006 12:35 AM

16x9?
 
Howdy...

Is there a way to change to 16x9 aspect ratio on the monitors? My cineform footage looks squished..

Thanks.

Ben

Alain Bellon April 10th, 2006 01:09 AM

There is currently no plan for a Mac version. But it may change in the future.

Regarding the 16:9, there is no aspect ratio selection for the displays right now, but we will add that feature so there should be a free update in a couple of days.

Marc Colemont April 10th, 2006 01:03 PM

Alain, I posted some footage which I finalized with your software on this link:
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=64740

Chris Barcellos April 10th, 2006 01:17 PM

I have been getting some crazy renders on a file I tried to add one of the Presets to change color:

Questions, comments:

1. Prior to this, I had only rendered a to 30 FPS from interlaced. Am I accomplishing a 30p non-interlaced file when I do that ?

2. The recent render was on with softening, and sunset lighting. What I ended up with was a file with the the end at the beginning, and the video was chopped up within the frame.

3. The project I was working on had a 16:9 crop inside a 720x480 file. When I did do a successful render, it would be squished. When I rerendered using another codec, and selected 720x540, it seemed to render it in right aspect.

4. Does processor have some effect. I use a dual core 3800+ AMD processor.

5. Alain: I am curious, what setting do you use for a basic render of a file:

Alain Bellon April 10th, 2006 01:38 PM

1. Yes, if you deinterlace an interlaced source and output to 30 fps, you are getting a 30p file.

2. Sounds like a codec issue. (emailing you privately)

3. When selecting crop 16:9, it should just add bars on top of the video. If you select Shrink 16:9, the it will squish the video down and add bars on the empty space left. (I will verify it nonetheless). Use crop when you shot 4:3 and you want to crop it to 16:9.

If you shot 16:9 and your source video is stretched up, then you should leave it alone since the 16:9 stretching should be a player setting (DVD player etc). The player is the one that will stretch the video and will introduce the letterboxing if needed.

If you want to produce a 4:3 version from the 16:9 shot, with the letterbox embedded (part of the frames) then you use the Shrink 16:9 mode.

Sounds confusing, so please drop me a note if you need further assistance.

4. I do not know, but processors should have no bearing here. I'll email you privately to seek out an answer.

5. I would select a lossless compressor like HuffYUV, leave default settings and render. I also render to DV with default settings (720x480, 30fps) but only as a very last step, since DV will introduce artifacts due to recompression.

Alain Bellon April 10th, 2006 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marc Colemont
Alain, I posted some footage which I finalized with your software on this link:
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=64740

Marc, looks great! It's a tad heavy on the bloom on some areas but maybe that's what you wanted.

Well done.

I may start a repository for user created presets.

Marc Colemont April 10th, 2006 03:49 PM

Yes the bloom was to add a moody smokey fat look.

Tom Bolia April 10th, 2006 04:22 PM

I downloaded this, and it looks somewhat difficult to use. I haven't really looked at the manual, so that could explain it. I hope it's easier once I read through over the manual.

Chris Barcellos April 10th, 2006 06:22 PM

Tom:

I was one of first to download, and to start, best way to go is start up, load a video you want to adjust color on, pick one of the many presets available, and see what happens in the before and after frames on the preset window. Not much more to basic aspects than that. Later, you can choose output codecs, and try developing your own presets-- as you become more accomplished.

Alain Bellon April 10th, 2006 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Bolia
I downloaded this, and it looks somewhat difficult to use. I haven't really looked at the manual, so that could explain it. I hope it's easier once I read through over the manual.

It is really simple actually. If you don't want to mess with anything just open the preset library and select a preset. And you are done. Just render the movie.
It is much easier than working with a compositing application like AfterEffects.

There are flash tutorials that will show you how to use the software in a few minutes.

Really, don't be afraid, CinemantiQ is probably the most intuitive software of its kind. Plus, I am here to help :)

Ken Lamug April 11th, 2006 09:53 PM

How long before 24p conversion is completed as part of the package? Thanks.

Alain Bellon April 13th, 2006 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ken Lamug
How long before 24p conversion is completed as part of the package? Thanks.

We are trying to get it ready for release next week.

Ken Lamug April 16th, 2006 12:07 AM

by the way it would be great if you had an alternative option to pay other than paypal. i am using my business amex and paypal does not seem to accept it. just an fyi. thanks!

Jim Rog April 16th, 2006 04:53 AM

Demo Version?

Alain Bellon April 25th, 2006 05:03 PM

We will have an alternative purchase option once we finalize things with dealership.

A demo is coming as well, right after the release of the new 60i to 24p option (which is pretty much done).

Alex Thames April 26th, 2006 09:24 PM

Will the demo be a full-demo? Or just allow us to use only a few presets and functions?


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