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Alan Rodgers December 8th, 2003 03:41 PM

Ken Burns technique?
 
Ken Burns has done a LOT of acclaimed work and successful films. A technique I have always wondered about was the slow pan and zoom done on still photography. I worked with a program like that while at community college but have forgotten the name of it. What are some of the programs that do that?

Ken Tanaka December 8th, 2003 04:11 PM

iMovie (on the Mac) has a dedicated effect to perform some of this. It's really not difficult to perform pans and slow zooms on still images from within most current non-linear editors such as Final Cut Pro/Express and Premiere.

Do a Search here, as I recall a lengthy thread on this subject perhaps a year ago.

Robert Knecht Schmidt December 8th, 2003 07:10 PM

Hi Alan,

Panning and zooming on still photography can be done in any compositing program--Adobe After Effects, discreet combustion, Canopus Imaginate, etc., as well as many of the popular NLEs.

There are also hardware devices that physically pan photographs, but this really isn't the best way to go about doing this.

Twisted Mojo's Real True History has a great parody of this documentary style.

Alex Taylor December 8th, 2003 09:46 PM

Quote:

Twisted Mojo's Real True History has a great parody of this documentary style.
Haha, that was hilarious! I knew it was going to be good when the narrarator said "This is his only known photograph."

James Emory December 9th, 2003 12:21 AM

Image Panning
 
Premiere uses a filter called Image Pan to achieve this effect. You simply pick your in & out points with key frames. VH1 uses this effect extensively in their Behind The Music and Driven series. The downside to this manipulation is that when the image is zoomed in electronically instead of optically, video pixels become magnified and edges dance until it zooms out to normal framing. Of course this is less evident with higher end broadcast formats I'm thinking because of resolution. If it's a quick move, you don't have much time to see any problems in either format.

Robert Knecht Schmidt December 9th, 2003 09:00 AM

The problem James refers to is "aliasing"--but the compositing programs listed above antialias resized still images.

Do be sure to scan in your images at a sufficiently high resolution.

Paul Tauger December 9th, 2003 09:24 AM

If you use Premiere for this, resize all stills to Premiere's maximum of 4,000 x 4,000 pixels, and import them as TIFF files, not JPEGs. I get liquid smooth pans, and can zoom in up to 5x without pixelation.

An alternative to Premiere is a program called Imaginate, which allows such things as acceleration and deceleration, curved movement paths, perspective shifts, etc.

James Emory December 9th, 2003 09:33 AM

Image Resizing in Premiere for Image Panning
 
Paul. In Premiere where do you resize the image as you described? For instance if I export a still from video in the timeline as a .tif, then what do I do? Can you give me a step by step if it's not too much troubled? Thanks!

Paul Tauger December 9th, 2003 09:46 AM

James, sorry, I should have been more clear. I use a stand-alone still imaging editor (Photoshop) to do the resizing. I found that this is the only way to get really smooth Pans in Premiere.

James Emory December 9th, 2003 09:54 AM

Resizing
 
Okeedokee. Well that makes sense. If your image is high res to begin with, then when you zoom in (blow up) it will still look good. What happens if you try to go higher than 4000x4000. What does Premiere do? Thanks.

Paul Tauger December 9th, 2003 10:02 AM

If you try to use something larger, Premiere will choke (elegantly -- you get an error message) when you try to import the still. The higher res is not solely for zooming. Premiere's interpolation routines for scans aren't too good. If you don't resize, pans will jitter. The only problem with resizing is the timeline takes forever to display. My India video has a couple of montage sequences consisting of 20 or 30 stills in a row, all of which were resized and given the Ken Burns treatment. It can take several minutes for the timeline to display on my machine.

Robert Knecht Schmidt December 9th, 2003 10:08 AM

And note that Paul is suggesting that images be downsampled in your still image editor (from a larger original scan size) to the Premiere size limit.

There's no sense in upsampling them to that size if they are smaller to begin with.

James Emory December 9th, 2003 10:09 AM

Choking Premiere
 
Yes, I know all about Premiere choking. It has happened to me in other situations, sometimes for no apparent reason. Thanks for the info.

Brian M. Dickman December 9th, 2003 11:30 AM

This is also an integrated effect in Sony Vegas called "Pan & Crop". You can set in, out, and as many integral keyframes as you'd like. You can pan, zoom, and spin.

Chris Sorensen December 9th, 2003 01:07 PM

There's also Moving Picture (www.stagetools.com). Costs $199 but handles pix up to 8,000x8,000 pixels and also has a Rotation Option will allow you to spin your moves as well as pan and zoom. There's plugins for every editor plus a standalone app.

Edward Troxel December 9th, 2003 01:14 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Chris Sorensen : There's also Moving Picture (www.stagetools.com). There's plugins for every editor plus a standalone app. -->>>

Not EVERY editor - Vegas isn't listed. Of course, it would be redundant to the built-in capabilities.

Chris Sorensen December 9th, 2003 04:24 PM

You're right, you got me. But there are plugins for:

Adobe Premiere_ (Win/Mac)
Adobe After Effects_ (Win/Mac)
Apple Final Cut Pro
Avid_ (All Editors Win/Mac)
Canopus RexEdit / DVEdit / DVStorm
Discreet_ edit
DPS Velocity
FASTStudio
IMC Incite
In-Sync SpeedRazor
Lightworks
Media 100 (Mac) and 844/X (Win)
Pinnacle_
Ulead_

I guess with Vegas you'd have to use the standalone version if you wanted to use it.

Glen Elliott December 11th, 2003 11:59 AM

Vegas has the easiest most comprehensive tool (pan/crop) for this sort of work out of the box. Once in pan/crop, regardless of the image size- simply right click and choose match output ratio and it automaticlly adjusts for any dimension ratio discrepencies. Ed can correct me if I'm wrong but beings the fact Vegas is format agnostic image resolution is a non-issue. It can handle small and large images alike.
It's incredibly powerfull and infinitly more easy than any other tool from other NLE's I've tried.

Edward Troxel December 11th, 2003 12:13 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Glen Elliott : Vegas has the easiest most comprehensive tool (pan/crop) for this sort of work out of the box. Once in pan/crop, regardless of the image size- simply right click and choose match output ratio and it automaticlly adjusts for any dimension ratio discrepencies. Ed can correct me if I'm wrong but beings the fact Vegas is format agnostic image resolution is a non-issue. It can handle small and large images alike.
It's incredibly powerfull and infinitly more easy than any other tool from other NLE's I've tried. -->>>

Agreed. That's the reason I said it would be redundant.

Corey MacGregor December 11th, 2003 04:29 PM

You don't really need to get a plugin for this technique. All you have to do is import your still into any NLE then keyframe the position and scale parameters.

Glen Elliott December 11th, 2003 05:50 PM

True however some NLEs are much more intuative in doing so. I remember the Premiere Motion tool being a dread to work with for complex movements and keyframing.

Wayne Orr December 11th, 2003 06:22 PM

While Ken Burns is great, check out a film called, "The Kid Stays in the Movie," to see some more interesting techniques in still photo compositing. These people have really raised the bar for this type of filmmaking. And damn entertaining besides.

Wayne Orr

Alex Taylor December 11th, 2003 07:23 PM

Wayne, do you mean The Kid Stays in the Picture?

Wayne Orr December 12th, 2003 12:50 AM

Indeed. Thanks for correcting me.

Wayne


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