OK, making porn...
 

I've edited some really poor footage before but i'm looking to make my own and start a website. Anyone got any experience in making or distributing the stuff?

I'm based in England so believe that unless im selling my dvd's to licensed shops, I cant mail it out to anyone. However, if I was abroad, I could - includin back to the UK! Crazy law but if I set up with someone abroad, does this get round the problem?

The DVD. I have a Mac. I'll have to buy an extra HD and a DVD burner. Any recommendations?

The website. I'm looking to get a lot of hits obviously - if I get a site with my own server, does that mean unlimited hits? A site my friend started (non porn related) got more hits than he was allowed and had to pay money per hit for extra traffic.

Thanks for any help - should b an interesting year.

About the website... there´s no UNLIMITED.... anyone that offers unlimited hosting, or bandwith (transfer), diskspace, etc.. is not a serious player...

If you hire a dedicated server or a good reseller hosting.. there will be a limit on how much "hits" you can take.. but It will be very high compared to the usual "virtual Hosting" or "shared hosting" packages.. and you probably won´t have to worry about it...

By the way.. it´s not the amount of hits that counts.. but the amount of data transfered and bandwith used.. so 1000 hits watching a 10kb pic... will not consume as much as 100 hits downloading a 10 mb video.

www.webhostingtalk.com
That´s a pretty good forum where you can get your answers... but beware... it´s not nice out there, not compared to the peace we can breathe around here.

cheers for the link federico but what do mean, 'it's not nice out there, not compared to the peace we can breathe around here'.


By the way - for anyone in the know - im used to using sonys vx2000 and thought this was the usual porn camera but reading other threads the canon xl1 seems to b the choice? either works fine or is one better?

That around here you get straight answers in a polite way... and from knowledgable respectable people...

Over there.. if you read a few threads.. you´ll see a lot of innecesary arguing... too many account disabled because of spamming.. and that sort of thing.. It´s a webhosting forum where most users are webhoster trying to sell... so they have their little battles there.

For better answers stay in the first forum.

best to start off as clear as possible tho as its going to b on dvd but also quicktimed for the net but i understand your point.

Porn has been talked about a few times and it seems that the Canon xl1(s) are/were the cameras of choice among porm producers. No idea why. Maybe it's to lend credibility to the shoot with a pro looking camera or maybe it's just because it produces nice warmer tones than way a PD150.


Aaron

If you are anticipating high web traffic, be prepared to pay a premium for the server space and monthly bandwidth. There is no such thing as "unlimited," some unscrupulous web hosts simply use that ploy as a marketing tool. There are a number of legitimate web hosts that specialize in adult material; your best bet is to search them out and contact them directly for rates, but be advised that it's easier for you as a content provider to get ripped off in the adult-material realm more than any other video market. Finally, as production techniques are no different for well-produced adult material than they are for any other type of video, I would prefer that you not refer to the sexually explicit nature of your work on these boards, because it is not relevant to technical issues and serves only to draw off-topic comments in poor taste which I have to edit out by hand. In short, while the boards here are at your disposal for anything related to a technical nature regarding video production, I'll have to insist that any matters specifically concerning sexually explicit material be taken elsewhere, as that sort of thing is not within our scope at DV Info Net. Thanks,

>Finally, as production techniques are no different for well->produced adult material than they are for any other type of video,

While it's a good idea to respect the moderator's wishes (and I intend to do so), I find the above statement unrationally dismissive. Many other specific filming and production issues are discussed on this group in great detail. Many members discuss the specifics of vtaping motorcycle events, MTV-style video or hockey.

yeah, no problem.
i didnt think i had been lewd at all hence the reply to the post you've deleted.

Chris,

I respect your interference and the way you did it and I agree fully!

Thanks!

The question was pertaining to creating adult material for a website and DVD distribution. This is much different from any other content, not in the way it was shot, but because of the content.

Because of the explicit nature, the site must have a gateway with warnings. I know that there are too many different laws and regulations world wide, and I will not pretend to know them. As Chris stated, there are plenty of webhosts that cater expressly to adult material, and would likely know what you need.

As far as exporting DVDs, that is best left to legal types I think.

I think he deleted my Reply to this Post? Sorry, I was being a wisearse in referring to the high art standards. :( Sorry, I was just running some smack.

I agree with Mr. Hurd. No details please. :l



And discussing the specifics of a Hockey match or a motorcycle event is not even in the same ballpark as discussing the goings on in the bedroom, er on the the set. :l

John is quite right; the specifics of a hockey match or a motorcycle event is not as likely to be as offensive to the taste of some of our readers as is the sexually explicit nature of adult material. Along with political and religious matters of any form, these sexually related topics unfortunately have no place here due to their explosive nature. Politics, religion and sex are taboo subjects at DV Info Net due to the extreme degrees that certain outspoken people feel in each direction. No matter how for/against something you are, someone else believes even stronger in the opposite way, which leads to wounded or offended feelings and a disrupted community. Therefore, in order to preserve the community, we do tend to be rather dismissive overall regarding politics, sex and religion. In the long run, I would rather lose the folks who insist on discussing those topics than lose the folks who prefer to do without such discussions. Finally, with regard to deleted posts, please see the board FAQ. Meta-data comments and off-topic remarks, etc. and similar clutter are frequently removed for no other purpose than to keep the discussion technical and streamlined. Hope this helps,

On the one hand, Chris is taking some of the fun out a topic like this. On the other hand, I fully agree with him. People such as myself could have way too much fun with this, and soon the forum would be nothing but chaos.

In a professional manner, this subject can be approached without details. It is a matter of video business, not porn. Lights, cameras, audio are all the same- The action sequences are different, not the format.

Of course, because of the material, the rules do change a bit, as far as distribution and marketing go. But, because this is a subject most DVIers have little experience with, I'm not sure how many questions you will get answered. The best source of info would come from others in that industry.

And Chris... watch all that editing by hand... You'll go blind.

There are a good dozen or so members (at least that I know of) that are involved in the adult film industry. If they have answers, I'm sure they will contact Trent off list via email if necessary.

The days of making a quick buck in online porn are long over. These days, you will need to figure out why someone should buy your product when it is so readily available for free, or for next to nothing from a flood of competitors.

It's just like any business.

That said, by starting your own site, you are trying to become an expert in:
1) Production
2) Talent scouting/search
3) Hosting
4) Promotion
5) Online commerce

You fail in one of these jobs, and you will probably fail overall.

That's waaaay to much to start with, unless you have some great new idea that will focus on a niche market no one has discovered yet.

Therefore, instead of focusing on on becoming an expert in 5+ things at once, I would recommend choosing one and selling it to others. Sometimes it's not the goldminers that get rich, but the surrounding businesses that cater to goldminers.

Thanks for your input.
Mines the latter. I have an idea that as far as I know hasn't been done before. I want free clips and pics to bring people to the site to get interest in the idea.

<<<-- Originally posted by Witold Chrabaszcz : The days of making a quick buck in porn are long over.-->>>

I concur. The market is awash in amateur dvds which are lucky to see local distribution. The big players in the business, Wicked and Vivid, spend between $25,000 to 100,000 on a production. They don't use the same video cameras as we hobbyists and semi-pros. Their cameras are the Sony, JVC, and Panasonic models costing $10,000 and up. If you watch the making of Sex Safari, you'll see this expensive gear, as well as hydraulic camera mounts, cranes and dollies.

On the internet, you have to also compete with the big players, including the two mentioned adult video companies, as well as Playboy Enterprises.

Yeah, this is why I really need to come up with the caaital to make the original idea and it's interlinked website instead of the heavily beaten path of all the others.
Just need to get funding from people who dont mind investing in porn - not easy!

Dugmor from Montreal (www.dugmor.com) uses two VX2000's to produce material for a handful of his sites. E-mail him and he'll happily to send you some clips to check out the quality. He may even be interested in co-producing your content, if you have an unusual concept.

For DVD distribution, there is a lot of competition, but not from big studios like Vivid, IMO. Check out AMVC videos (do a search) to see the kind of content/quality you're up a against. Using a DV camera and proper lighting puts you above and beyond many amateur producers these days.

For web video I would suggest encoding in WMV instead of/in addition to Quicktime. You will lose too many customers if you become stubborn about the format. You can produce average content and still make it big with great marketing, so your focus should be on bringing in customers and, once they've signed up, keeping them at your site as long as possible.

Finally, if you have any adult-related questions, you should try getting advice on other boards like GFY forums (do a search), but be prepared to wade through a lot of useless posts and bitter battles.

Thanks for the info, Andres, I check it all out. I appreciate the post.

LOL

There should be a whole new thread category for you guys. They could call it the Projectionist Room or Popcorn Boys.