firefox - killer browser !
 

OK - I just downloaded firefox from mozilla.org and it's great. Opens pages 2 to 3 x faster - downloads 50% faster - for macs '- there's no competition - it puts IE and safari to shame and the best part - it's free !!

What's the catch...if any?
 

Spyware, Adware, pop-ups, etc?

Ain't nothin' free in this day and age!

RB

the best things in life ARE free !
 

Explorer is free - Safari is free - try it before being so critical- I've only been using it for about 4 hours but it's alot faster - Kurth

I haven't tried it on the Mac (love Safari) but I have it on Linux and Windoze and it ROCKS! It is fast and truly compliant to web standards.

and yes, it's FREE!

IE is crap!

Yes Firefox is excellent. Careful with Safari for the time being - it seems to have trouble with fully compliant javascript in certain instances, and its stylesheet support is not as proper and comprehensive as Firefox.

Chill dude!
 

Take a deep breath Kurth...now, breathe out...

Feel better?

I'm not being critical, just expressing a degree of curiosity!

As free as Microsoft might want you to believe that IE is free, yes, it is free from a direct cost to your pocket, but, nothing that MS does is free...there is always of some kind of strings attached. Just try removing it from your system!

As Sonny Corleone once said: "You're taking this much too personal.

RB

A degree of curiosity, is that what it was ? Looked an awful lot like paranoia to me. And excuse me Rick , but breathing is one skill I never take advice on -I was just responding to your concerns ( I believe w/o ever using the software ) w/o any personal criticisms involved. From the other comments , I believe there's an agreement on it's functionality.
ps - And the spyware and virus thing - well, that's one of the reasons why I use a mac! If someone is still using a wintel , then , I guess , they've got to be worried about all of that " big brother " stuff. And popups - I've had about 3 in 5 years, and none today using firefox.-thanks- Kurth

Rick, I'm surprised you've never heard of Firefox. Been around for a long time and recently achieve 1.0 status.

Very nice broswer and what I use now at home and work.

Aaron

Well, that's ANOTHER damn post by satisfied 'foxers!!
Seems that's all I've been reading, lately....
(may have to dip my toe in this pool, soon)

I think you've misjudged me. Please re-read and re-interpret my reply.
 

Notice the "if any?" after "what's the catch,"?

Then the "?" after "Spyware, pop-ups, etc."?

The question marks would indicate a question, an interrogative, a query. Not a statement.

Paranoia would have sounded a little more like..."Are you guys that stupid?", "It's too good to be true"..."there has to be some hidden agenda"..."the Democrats are trying to lurre me to the dark side", etc.

Trust me, I have NO problems with paranoia or I wouldn't participate on a board like this where I have to be myself.

I NEVER criticized the software because...I HAVE NEVER USED IT!
I am not in the habit of talking out of my A** about things I know nothing about.

As far as breathing, we all do it, it's just a matter of mastering the proper technique that escapes many people.

Aaron,

Pardon my ignorance, but no, I've never had the pleasure of hearing of or using Firefox. I do admit to reading the book by Craig Thomas and actually watching the terrible screen adaptation with Clint Eastwood, but alas, I am completely in the dark as far as the browser is concerned.

Now, thanks to the never ending font of wisdom and knowledge provided by this board, I promise to expand my horizons by looking into Firefox!

Let's not overlook the fact that it has a VERY COOL name!

:)

RB

How does Firefox compare to Opera? I've been using Opera for about a year now, and I'm mostly happy with it (except that some webpages don't support it). I've toyed with the idea of switching to Firefox, but I never really got around to it? Anybody have any input?

Just downloaded it today. Noticibly faster than Safari.

there's also thunderbird, which is sorta like outlook express replacement.

brent, just d/l, what's it going to cost you? a few minutes of d/l, installing and browsing?

i switched since 1.0 and it's been an awesome experience. make sure you get extensions and plugins! the ad-blocker works miracles cause you can use boolean. so you can block out ALL ads from certain KNOWN ad producers. that's awesome. there's also a function to block out entire FRAMES that loads those ads. and i luv tabbed browsing (get the extension). plus you can modify your browser to go even faster! =). i can't believe how much "mozilla" has progressed from its former years. i still remember the mozilla browser, there's just no comparison.

having said that, i have to disagree about 100% compliant. most websites are geared towards IE's "standards". i was just shopping for blank mini-DV tapes from someplace today that uses yahoo shopping cart. in ff (firefox) i can't see the "checkout button" but in IE i can. there's lots of other little instances like that... but i can't complain, i'd rather take a little inconvenience for the ad-blocker, which is truly a jewel!

memory management. one thing about ff is if you check the task manager you can see it uses much less memory than IE. imho, it also crashes less. plus the extensions are only 1k to 400k @best. that's unbelievable!

re: open source software in general. i've managed to install open office 1.x and gimp 2.x @work and they've been very well received because they are FREE! i mean photoshop is $700 full version and Office costs about $300-500 full version. you can't argue with money when it comes to value.

I've been using Firefox for a while, and it is pretty nice. Pop up blocker, supposed to be more secure than I.E., and it's quick... But it is also buggy as hell.

I close a browser window, and try to open another. Firefox wants me to start a new user profile. I insist I do NOT want a user profile at all, and just want to surf. It insists I will create a new profile, because the old profile is in use. So I close Firefox and open I.E., where Google's toolbar has my back, and stops most pop ups.

In Firefox, I have a long list of bookmarks. I try to select a bookmark, but the list scrolls uncontrolably past the link I want. Several tries later, I either succeed, or close Firefox and open I.E.

I go to a webpage, and there is a puzzle piece that says I need a plug in. Click here to find the plug in. I click there... and it says it can't find the plug in I need. So, I again open I.E. and surf.

Now, don't get me wrong- I think Firefox is a GOOD browser. But, when I want to surf, I want to surf, not figure out what the issue of the moment is. It isn't ready to overthrow I.E. yet

Keith I agree with you 100%. There are bugs as can be expected from a 1.0 release. I have that same plugin problem with Shockwave.

I too keep IE handy. I'd say Firefox is probably 95% there.

Also, Yi Fong Yu, the compliance to international standards is there - it's just that IE isn't, and developers often develop to suit it for obvious reasons. It's not a flaw of Firefoxes but rather Microsoft's, and I think because of Firefox Microsoft will finally get up off their butts and continue improvements in IE which they've been snoozing on since they killed most competition.

I'm now using Firefox and Thunderbird almost exclusively. I got burned really bad by the CoolWeb adware virus that exploits holes in Microsofts VM. The ad blocking and general experience of Firefox is just better. I don't know how I lived without tabbed browsing before this.

Thunderbird isn't just email, it's also a great rss news agregator for those of you who know what rss is. It also has better basic protrection against malicious email than outlook express.

Both of them take advantage of XP security features so they can properly integrate into your system, without making you vunerable. I also use ZoneAlarm and Pestpatrol.

Yeah I use Thunderbird for my personal mail (my work mail is via an Exchange server so no dice there). Thunderbird is really nice - and what I love about it is how well it handles and separates different accounts. Helps me manage my several different emails really well.

keith,

re: opening/closing browsers. i haven't encountered that problem. are you sure you installed it correctly? i never had to deal with profiles @all. google's pop-up blocker is not as even close to the ad-blocker/popup.

re: scrolling, i haven't had so many scrolling experiences i try to break it up into more folders if i need to scroll through that many places.

so all in all, these are minor issues. i think it's just a matter of getting used to it. when i started using ff i thought you couldn't get url&google bar into the VERY VERY top line. meaning i place all my buttons, url and google search bar right next to file, edit, view, go, bookmarks, tools, help so it's all on one place. eventually i figured it all through message boards and playing around/getting used to it. now, it is indispensible. and if you run into a bug the quality agent can send the error and the open source community responds quicker than MS in fixing ff probs than MS fixing IE. that is, if the quality agent is fixed. it couldn't send the error.

<<<-- Originally posted by Brent Ray : How does Firefox compare to Opera? I've been using Opera for about a year now, and I'm mostly happy with it (except that some webpages don't support it). I've toyed with the idea of switching to Firefox, but I never really got around to it? Anybody have any input? -->>>

Brent. Firefox beats Opera IMO. I have used Opera for years, and when I got Firefox 1.0 I was using both for a while while I checked out Firefox better. Now, Opera is about to be relegated to the Recycle Bin on my desktop (I only kept it cause of the email client, and now I use Thunderbird).

Up until about Firefox 0.9 Opera was still ahead in my mind, but now Firefox is a polished piece of software. Free and with lots of great plugins (Extensions).

The big reason that I left Opera was it's java support - it's bad. They use some integrated/different JVM whereas Firefox (And other browsers) use the one installed on your system. What this meant for me was that certificates on Java Applets just wasn't handled in Opera. I was developing an applet that required filesystem access and normally a dialog asking for permission would appear and you could "yea" or "nay" it. On Opera you got nothing, and got no access. It annoyed me enough that I switched.

That aside, there's many more reasons. Give it a go.

Aaron

The problems I have encountered are just a bug, and not user related. But, because of the profile issue, I ended up losing all of my bookmarks. That was user related, because I rushed through the profile setup and deleted the old info by mistake. All I wanted to do was open a browser *sob*

Interesting news I just read... there have been rumors flying around for a while now that Google, in their seeming bid to fight Microsoft head on recently with various offerings, might consider acquiring the Firefox browser.

Well, some of these rumors may now be based on fact. The lead developer of the Mozilla project has announced that his income will now be coming from Google instead of the Mozilla foundation. However, his job is remaining the same. It appears Google has officially begun its endorsement of the Mozilla project, and personally I think only good things can come of it.

http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/ben/archives/007366.html

Pipelining in Firefox
 

Here's something for broadband people that will really speed Firefox up:

1.Type "about:config" into the address bar and hit return. Scroll down and look for the following entries:

network.http.pipelining
network.http.proxy.pipelining
network.http.pipelining.maxrequests

Normally the browser will make one request to a web page at a time. When you enable pipelining it will make several at once, which really speeds up page loading.

2. Alter the entries as follows:

Set "network.http.pipelining" to "true"
Set "network.http.proxy.pipelining" to "true"
Set "network.http.pipelining.maxrequests" to some number like 30. This means it will make 30 requests at once.

3. Lastly right-click anywhere and select New-> Integer. Name it "nglayout.initialpaint.delay" and set its value to "0". This value is the amount of time the browser waits before it acts on information it receives.

On a broadband connection, this should speed up rendering in Firefox about 250%. I use Firfox exclusively on all my computers and can testify this works great.

Rob,

Thanks for the info. I tried this in Netscape 7 (same as Mozilla), and it works there as well.

here's my crazy config:

user_pref("nglayout.initialpaint.delay", 0);
user_pref("content.notify.ontimer", true);
user_pref("content.notify.interval", 100000);
user_pref("content.notify.backoffcount", 5);
user_pref("network.http.pipelining", true);
user_pref("network.http.proxy.pipelining", true);
user_pref("network.http.pipelining.maxrequests", 100);
user_pref("network.http.max-connections", 20);
user_pref("network.http.max-connections-per-server", 20);
user_pref("network.http.max-persistent-connections-per-proxy", 20);
user_pref("network.http.max-persistent-connections-per-server", 20);

Hey-- let's say you have Yahoo mail, and you're using firefox to access it-- can you have hotlinks in your mail? They don't seem to work, and I can't find a button to make something a hotlink.

GOOD GOD those tips are awesome!!! It's like my browers on speed!!! I love it!!

BTW, i use chrome-edit. it makes configs a snap. plus you should get as many extensions/plugins as you think you need =). they're awesome. my fav is the tab browsing preference upgrade. and the extensions are all under 500kb! that's AMAZING!

Firefox is produced by the Mozilla Foundation, a not-for-profit California corporation. Philosophically, it's another outgrowth of the Open Source movement.

The source code for the software came from the same base as the original Netscape Browser (remember that?). AOL bought Netscape the company, and used Gecko, the core of the Nestcape Browser, for their AOL-branded browser. Eventually AOL jettisoned Netscape/Gecko, but ended up endowing the Mozilla Foundation with two million dollars. Other companies (Red Hat, Sun Microsystems) also have contributed money to the project, perhaps in the hopes of chipping away at the Internet Explorer hegemony.

The donors, and the architects of the software themselves, probably have a host of motives, notably providing an alternative to IE and an opportunity to work on a cool piece of software used by thousands.

Rick, you (implicitly) asked a question lots of people would ask: What's the catch? I don't think you have to go looking for some kind of secret agenda. The makers of Mozilla/Firefox want to make cool software, and to provide an alternative to IE.

In my experience, the practical catch is that you're using a non-dominant browser. Sure, it might have bugs that IE doesn't have, but the Mozilla crew seem to be pretty aggressive in fixing them. But while the installed base of Mozilla (the browser suite) and Firefox (the standalone browser) both seem to be growing, there are definitely web sites that don't recognize Mozilla, or are tailored to Internet Explorer's own special quirks.

I prefer Mozilla because it's not Internet Explorer. Also because right now Mozilla is probably more secure. If Mozilla/Firefox usage grows enough, we may start to see significant exploits of its inevitable security holes. Hopefully bug fixes will continue to come quickly (as they have so far), Mozilla Foundation will prosper, and we won't be stuck in a one-browser world any more.

Michael

Macnn just posted an article claiming a security flaw with firefox and safari but not with IE - the world keeps spinning !

The security flaw -- also noted at boingboing.net (permanent link here) -- doesn't occur in IE because IE doesn't support a specific standard (International Domain Names). According to what I've read, you can actually download a plug-in for IE so that it will support the standard, and it too will fall prey to this security flaw.

The flaw, by the way, is that with International Domain Names there's more than one way to write the string that appears to be "verisign.com", so you could create a malicious web page that claimed to be verified by Verisign, when in fact the link you clicked on went to a web page spelled with a different encoding, so you would end up on a domain owned by the bad guys instead of at Verisign's site.

International Domain Names are cool, I guess, because you can spell, and have your browser recognize, domain names like epée.com, François.com, and so on. I blame the French.

Michael

[edit: corrected sense of text so that IE's susceptibility to security issue is described right.]

"I blame the French."

Me too... ;)

In Firefox, how do I clear the history in the browser and turn off the auto-type thing.

Tools > Options

In the Privacy tab...

Thanks Imran, I didn't even see those tabs at the side, I'm still use to IE's layout.

IE still owns 87% of the market
 

http://www.forbes.com/facesinthenews...ahoo&referrer=

Interesting article on Forbes website. The latest worldwide survey gives Internet Explorer 87% of the browser market, Mozilla 8.5% and Safari 1.2%. In the US Firefox has 5.7%, other Mozilla browsers 2.5%, and IE 89.9%. But this is the kicker

Something new I'm excited about is the Moz community just developed a Google Toolbar for Mozilla. I'm a big user of the Google Toolbar on my IE, so for me this is a huge step in the right direction...

http://googlebar.mozdev.org/installation.html