2026 Artemis 11 Contunued.

Boyd Ostroff · April 12th, 2026, 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Allan Black

But then you probably know that and it’s a bit of fun

You don't think I'm serious? Eisenhower's own granddaughter Laura is the chief proponent of that theory. And I also saw it on "Ancient Aliens", an authoritative source that is beyond question.

I don't think the Chinese have anything that could be called a "settlement" on the moon, but it's a well-established fact that aliens built bases on the moon which the Apollo astronauts saw and NASA covered up. I saw that on "Ancient Aliens" too.

(Note for anyone not accustomed to my sarcasm: yes I'm joking. However there really are people who believe this stuff. How about you?)

Allan Black · April 14th, 2026, 06:12 PM

Don’t worry we gotcha Boyd :)

Here’s a very interesting UFO story that still doesn’t have an answer. This is what these people and many others actually saw 60 years ago, here’s the story …

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-04-...wers/106126614

Boyd Ostroff · April 15th, 2026, 06:16 AM

Yes, I'm familiar with that incident and a similar one from 1994

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/stories-57749238

There's a documentary by James Fox that covers these and other UFO sightings. Not a bad history of UFO's in general

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt13095604/

There are many unexplained things that I would like to understand. People like James Fox (who produced that film and others), George Knapp, Leslie Kean,Nick Pope, etc. have some compelling stories but they're really close to the conspiracy theory line, so I just don't know. Others like Luis Elizondo, Chris Mellon and Jacques Vallee are (arguably) a little more grounded. Vallee in an interesting one, he was the model for the French scientist in "Close Encounters". I mean, being portrayed by Francois Truffaut in a Spielberg movie is pretty cool, no matter who you are! I recently watched a documentary about the making of "Close Encounters" and the thing that really struck me was how *young* Spielberg was back then - he looked like a kid!

Vallee became a friend of J. Allen Hynek who spent years debunking UFO's for the Air Force's "Project Bluebook". After leaving that job though, Hynek became a believer himself and was very outspoken about it.

It's hard (probably impossible) for ordinary people like us to understand what's really going on here. I guess I'd be a "believer" if I saw one of these things myself. But I haven't. And the problem is that there's just so much misinformation out there, it's hard to trust anyone.

I recently watched some of this series from NY Post reporter Steven Greenstreet on some obscure streaming channel. He does a good job of debunking many of the UFO stories. But my problem is, the more you watch, he's a rather unpleasant person while the "UFOlogists" he attacks are generally a lot of fun. I just view it all as "entertainment" and take it with a grain of salt, so I would rather watch them than Greenstreet.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt10417598/

Luis Elizondo is another interesting character, he hosted this show that I thought was quite good initially. But after the first season, it drifted into more questionable topics IMO.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt10016814/

Recently, Elizondo seems to have gotten more weird, but I still enjoy watching him. But before investigating UFO's he was involved with counter intelligence in the military. So that just has to make you wonder how much of any of this stuff is real. In the end, I keep asking myself who would benefit from convincing the public that UFO's are real when they really aren't?

I have no idea, but like I said, it's all just entertainment for me. And, frankly, it's a lot more fun than most of the *real* news in today's world...

Andrew Smith · April 15th, 2026, 08:47 PM

I would wager that "involved with counter intelligence in the military" is the key here.

If mere citizens had spotted something that doesn't officially exist yet then there is a role for a 'spoiler' to come in and give out a little more info that is correct and then slowly add in increasing levels of misinformation and distraction until the whole 'ufo' etc movement can be painted as a bunch of crazies.

There's plenty of weird stuff out there, but having the time to delve into it is another matter entirely.

Andrew

Allan Black · Today, 01:13 AM

Thanks, all fascinating stuff Boyd, and it keeps going Andrew.

There are 3 groups of UFO people, those who claim to have seen one, those who haven’t and those who debunk all claims.

Many of the first group have a clear memory of their UFO sighting, maybe they made a sketch or shot a photo and they won’t hear one single negative word from the naysayers.

The second group pay attention to every UFO sighting, study the details, discuss it with their family and friends - but still can’t make head or tail of it.

The third group instantly trash every UFO claim, some loudly in the press. Many others think they just want the publicity, to get their name in the news as often as they can to promote their cause.

However all 3 groups keep the UFO story going and one day we might get to know what UFOs actually are and maybe where they come from. Cheers.

April 14th, 2026, 06:12 PM	#17
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April 15th, 2026, 06:16 AM	#18
Boyd Ostroff Wrangler Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mays Landing, NJ Posts: 11,821	Re: 2026 Artemis 11 Contunued. Yes, I'm familiar with that incident and a similar one from 1994 https://www.bbc.com/news/av/stories-57749238 There's a documentary by James Fox that covers these and other UFO sightings. Not a bad history of UFO's in general https://www.imdb.com/title/tt13095604/ There are many unexplained things that I would like to understand. People like James Fox (who produced that film and others), George Knapp, Leslie Kean,Nick Pope, etc. have some compelling stories but they're really close to the conspiracy theory line, so I just don't know. Others like Luis Elizondo, Chris Mellon and Jacques Vallee are (arguably) a little more grounded. Vallee in an interesting one, he was the model for the French scientist in "Close Encounters". I mean, being portrayed by Francois Truffaut in a Spielberg movie is pretty cool, no matter who you are! I recently watched a documentary about the making of "Close Encounters" and the thing that really struck me was how young Spielberg was back then - he looked like a kid! Vallee became a friend of J. Allen Hynek who spent years debunking UFO's for the Air Force's "Project Bluebook". After leaving that job though, Hynek became a believer himself and was very outspoken about it. It's hard (probably impossible) for ordinary people like us to understand what's really going on here. I guess I'd be a "believer" if I saw one of these things myself. But I haven't. And the problem is that there's just so much misinformation out there, it's hard to trust anyone. I recently watched some of this series from NY Post reporter Steven Greenstreet on some obscure streaming channel. He does a good job of debunking many of the UFO stories. But my problem is, the more you watch, he's a rather unpleasant person while the "UFOlogists" he attacks are generally a lot of fun. I just view it all as "entertainment" and take it with a grain of salt, so I would rather watch them than Greenstreet. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt10417598/ Luis Elizondo is another interesting character, he hosted this show that I thought was quite good initially. But after the first season, it drifted into more questionable topics IMO. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt10016814/ Recently, Elizondo seems to have gotten more weird, but I still enjoy watching him. But before investigating UFO's he was involved with counter intelligence in the military. So that just has to make you wonder how much of any of this stuff is real. In the end, I keep asking myself who would benefit from convincing the public that UFO's are real when they really aren't? I have no idea, but like I said, it's all just entertainment for me. And, frankly, it's a lot more fun than most of the real news in today's world...

April 15th, 2026, 08:47 PM	#19
Andrew Smith Equal Opportunity Offender Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 3,165	Re: 2026 Artemis 11 Contunued. I would wager that "involved with counter intelligence in the military" is the key here. If mere citizens had spotted something that doesn't officially exist yet then there is a role for a 'spoiler' to come in and give out a little more info that is correct and then slowly add in increasing levels of misinformation and distraction until the whole 'ufo' etc movement can be painted as a bunch of crazies. There's plenty of weird stuff out there, but having the time to delve into it is another matter entirely. Andrew

Today, 01:13 AM	#20
Allan Black Inner Circle Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Sydney. Posts: 3,062	Re: 2026 Artemis 11 Contunued. Thanks, all fascinating stuff Boyd, and it keeps going Andrew. There are 3 groups of UFO people, those who claim to have seen one, those who haven’t and those who debunk all claims. Many of the first group have a clear memory of their UFO sighting, maybe they made a sketch or shot a photo and they won’t hear one single negative word from the naysayers. The second group pay attention to every UFO sighting, study the details, discuss it with their family and friends - but still can’t make head or tail of it. The third group instantly trash every UFO claim, some loudly in the press. Many others think they just want the publicity, to get their name in the news as often as they can to promote their cause. However all 3 groups keep the UFO story going and one day we might get to know what UFOs actually are and maybe where they come from. Cheers. __________________ Support your local movie theatre, they need it.