I must say even though the marshall has so many unique functions, I'm very tempted by the 720p of the Smallhd.com monitor. And at that price, I'm starting to lean more that way.

Sony battery series?
 

A quick question about the battery options: is the Sony B series battery the same one that EX3 uses?

Yes it is, they're the same batteries at the EX1 too.

Just checking: The Marshall monitor has 12v input. The Coco Battery adapter outputs 14.4v (according to B&H website). Will the monitor work okay anyway?

Wait for SDI
 

For those of you thinking about getting the non-SDI version of the Marshall monitor and you have an EX1 or similar SDI camera, WAIT!

I own an EX1 and a TV Logic monitor with SDI and it's such a breeze to connect using the BNC on the back of the camera and NOT have to fuss with the horrible placement and small hookup for the Component.

Also, you get audio out of the SDI and it's a more robust connection that's locked and won't fall out, AND, you have only one cable to run, so if you're using your camera on a crane/jib, it's a breeze once again to connect.

Just my 2-cents on the matter.

It is a lot better to use a SDI to HDMI converter because you can use it on ANY monitor with HDMI input (almost all recent screen of any size on the market today, including some PC monitors).

The cost of such adapter is not so high (i got mine form blackmagic) and you do not need to care about the monitor. If the adapter is in the bag, you can be pretty so you will find a screen.

And you can use the converter for other purposes. Like outputting live HD-SDI to you intensity capture card (HDMI input). And if you often get the need to transport hi-def on long distance, you purchase another converter (HDV to SDI or HDMI to SDI) so you can connect a HDMI player on a HDMI video projector with a simple coax cable.

Update, the Marshall HDSDI 7" monitors are now shipping. Marshall Electronics 7″ LCD Monitor at DVcreators.net We have them in stock for Canon, JVC, Panasonic, Sony L series and B series battery mounts.

The single HDSDI cable is much nicer than three wire component. Especially if you're using a camera that has the proprietary port and connector that snaps on, it's easy to bend those accidentally. A single BNC connection is more rugged and clean.

Great news...where are they?
 

Hey Guy

Great news about the long awaited release of the SDI version.

Are they listed on the dv creators site yet? Just had a look and couldn't see it listed as one of the options.

Hi Adrian,

Thanks for asking, yes, here is the direct link Marshall Electronics 7″ LCD Monitor at DVcreators.net

Kind of cool, Marshall liked the "Calibrating a Broadcast Monitor + New Pro features" video we produced about their 7" LCD monitor and asked if they could put it on their actual product page

Of course I said, "Yes!" That video is result of people here on dvinfo wanting to see more detail on the monitor so, way to go folks! Shot it with the Canon 5D Mark II 100mm macro lens.

Sorry dumb question
 

Hey Guy, or anyone else who can answer this dumb-ass question.

OK so is there a difference between HDSDI and 3GSDI? The most recent Marshall model and the one on the DV Creators site is this one V-LCD70P-3GSDI.

Is this the HDSDI model or is there a specific HDSDI model apart from this.

my apologies in advance if this is the dumbest ass question ever!

Not a dumb question at all as this emerging technology is moving so fast it amazes me. The 3G is compatible with all popular flavors of Hdsdi including 10 bit 4:2:2 1080p-60, 1080p-59.94 and 1080p-50 over a single cable - not dual link. See Serial digital interface - Wikipedia

Also, here is the link to the manual:
http://lcdracks.com/monitors/pdf_pag...r2009-0605.pdf

And a little Quote from the manual

"Emulation of SMPTE-C/EBU color space allows the V-LCD70P-3GSDI to replace any broadcast CRT monitor. Presets
include D55, D65 and D93. Bias and Gain adjustment for each color enables precise color matching and white
balance"

Cheers
 

Thanks Guy for the speedy reply, very helpful info.

Will definitely be looking at this monitor as my next purchase.

BTW Vimeo has done something horrible to the audio of the Calibrating Clip! Might require a re upload :(

Thanks again Guy, keep shooting!

Cool. I tested the Calibrating a Broadcast Monitor + New Pro Features on Vimeo on a few computers and it sounded fine. It must be a codec issue. Maybe upgrade to the latest version of Flash? Anyone else having the same problem? That must be what Mike Horton was talking about in the comments field of the Vimeo video...geez and I thought he was talkin' smack about my dry VO read!
You can also watch here YouTube - Calibrating a Professional HD monitor

Red
 

Guy,

Do you know if any of the new 7" Marshalls can be scaled to include the menu information from the Red One HD-SDI or HDMI feeds? If they could, it would open up a new market for them.

bad audio bad!
 

Hey Guy.

Upgraded to flash player 10 but still weird audio with the clip. Here's what it sounds like.

Hi Scott, is the menu information being placed in the overscan area?.....still saving up for my RED :) In the Video Configuration menu of the monitor there is an option for "Full Screen, 16:9 and 4:3). You can also turn Markers on to show 95% safe, 93%,90,88,85 and 80. In that excess area you can make it Black or have it show Full Screen.
There is also a Underscan option, however it defaults to "Disabled" with an HD source.

@Adrian, thanks for the audio clip. I'll have to re-encode and upload the clip. That's the cool thing over YouTube, Vimeo lets you replace the vid.

Sdi??
 

Have taken delivery of the 3G/SDI model of these monitors, great build, pretty good looking image from the video out option, but for the life of me can't get the SDI input to work?!

Am using with an EX3 and have been through the monitor menu at least 50 times trying different combinations but still can't get the monitor to read the SDI signal, in fact I just keep getting the same "No Signal" message.

Anyone have any ideas??

It's most likely an option in the Camera menu to output SDI. It's been awhile since I used an EX3, but on our rigs we were running Component and HDSDI out at the same time. It's one of the few cameras that allow that. A lot of them you have to choose one or the other, so both your Outs on the camera should be live at all times. Do you have any other HDSDI devices that you can test with? Like an AJA, Matrox or Blackmagic IO card?
Also give Marshall a call at 1-800-800-6608
If you purchased the monitor from us, we can get another out to you right away if it is indeed an issue with the actual SDI port.

I'm interested in the Marshall V-LCD70P but not sure which one would work best with my JVC GY-HM100. Could someone tell me which one I should get?

thanks

The JVC GY-HM100 has HDMI and component outputs. You'd get the highest quality output with the pure digital HDMI port rather than the analog component output. So, I'd choose the Marshall which feature HDMI for that particular camera. Marshall Electronics 7″ LCD Monitor at DVcreators.net

ok thanks!

Excellent feature set, especially the "false color" and peaking during zoom. I've been trying to describe an audio meter for video for a long time. Guy, do you think the Marshall implementation is more useful that a red/yellow/orange/red quarter tone level map? Perhaps an 8 stop meter segmentation would be better. I don't know exactly what I want, but I'd like someway of mapping level data to a readable value.

I'm thinking in the hdmi version to use it with 5dmII, but some people seems to have problems with false color through hdmi
what do you think about this?

http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/canon-eo...i-monitor.html

Hello Guy,

I have been a silent member for a while and have learnt much from these forums. I have owned an EX1 for over a year and decided to improve my focus by adding the V-LCD70P-3GSDI to my gear thanks to your reports. Unfortunately, as simple as it should be, I have not been able to get it to work. I carefully read all related SDI output mention in the EX1 manual, but it did not get my Marshall working. I then talked to Marshall and after a 15 minute talk the helpful tech suggested that I send it in as there might be something wrong with the monitor itself. Today I received a call from Marshall and there seemed to be nothing wrong with my monitor on first impressions, but they needed to test it with an HD SDI output cam before they call me again.
I was wondering if you would be so kind to let me know of any "secret" settings there might be to make it work. Or even the proper procedure/ adapters or other tricks that might not be mentioned in the manuals.

My gear: EX1 with the first firmware upgrade, SDI out with BNC cable (third one I bought just to be sure it wasn't the bnc) into SDI input on the V-LCD70P-3GSDI.
All I get is a blue screen with an occasional "no signal" sign at the top left corner.
This may be a setting that totally escapes my limited expertize, but it might also be a faulty EX1...I am lost and Marshal does not really have much to say about the EX1 / V-LCD70P-3GSDI combination so far.
Help is truly appreciated.

Thanks!
Alex

Hi Alex,

Congrats on stepping up your game.

Is the cable a proper 75 ohm HD-SDI cable?

If you do not have a way to test the unit, you can have the monitor sent to us.

Here is the Sony EX1 manual http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/sony-xdca...downloads.html

On page 102 it shows that in the Menu>Video Set>YPbPr/SDI Out should be set to "HD"

Hope this helps,

Also check page 113 in the manual. Ensure that you have the iLink DISABLED in the others menu or you won't get a signal from the SDI.

Thank you so much guys!

After careful consideration I decided to send the field monitor back to Marshall and they changed a faulty module in it. I got it back today and it works very nice. The peaking function is not as clear as on the EX1 itself, but the false colors (exposure) feature is quite cool. I am sure I'll be fine with both peaking functions on and a decent size lcd to "eye" it on.
I am so happy that it wasn't my EX1...
Anyway, thank you again for your help. I do have the EX1 manual and had already adjusted the settings as mentioned in your responses. (I actually sent the EX1 manual to Marshall as they did not have it...They were very helpful.

Now I am going to review your short video on the Marshall 7" settings to getting down faster and then drive out to shoot a few long shots that will compliment this coming weekend's shoot. It's a beautiful day in San Francisco.

Thanks again!

Alex :0)

Just a hype. If your camera head is only capable of 8bit output, HDMI is as good. And the WB presets are included with the Marshall HDMI version, as well.

3G-SDI is a must for those outputting 422 10 bit from their cameras.

Guy,
I'm about ready to buy a new monitor ( have been shooting with my Canon 7d, in addition to Letus), and hopefully will get it from you. I have a few questions-

This one- V-LCD651ST-HDMI has been reccomended by Phil Bloom. Does it do the following:
1-Allow either hdmi or component in?

2- Does it allow you to magnify/ expand the image while recording?

3-Can you run out of the component to send signal a second monitor ( I have an 8" Swit and a gateway)? Or would I have to use a splitter?
Is this the monitor you'd reccomend?
Thanks for all your info.
Bruce Yarock
yarock@aol.com

Thanks for your questions. I can help answer these.

1. Yes, allows for both HDMI and Component input
2. Yes, allows for 1:1 Pixel - Pixel mode (zooms to center of frame)
3. When feeding in Component, you can loop out Component. When feeding HDMI, there is no looping back out through component.

We see a lot more of the 7" model selling rather than the 6.5" Super Transflective Outdoor Monitors, though that may just be a price issue. The 6.5" model is considerably more expensive. Personally, I'd get the 7" with a hood and save the $600+. However, if a large amount of your shots are outdoors in bright, direct sunlight, then the 6.5" model will be a joy to use.

Guy,
Thanks for the info.
I can't see it on the info page, but do either of these allow for ac power connection? I do a lot of stuff indoors where ther is power and it's a pain to have enough batterys.
I have several Canon batts, but I remember from my fx1 that the Sony l series last quite a bit longer. If I went that route. I'd also nee to buy a charger for the Sony batts, right?
lastly, it looks like the 6.5"model has more pixels. How do the two compare in resolution?
Bruce Yarock

Hi Bruce,

Thanks for asking. Both monitors ship with AC power supplies. They are the 4 pin XLR type. There is a switch on the side which lets you jump between battery or AC.

The resolution of the Marshall Electronics 7″ is 800x600 while the Marshall 6.5″ Super Transflective Field Monitor does indeed have more pixels 1024x768. However, on such a small screen, the difference isn't jaw dropping.
I'd say it boils down to the amount of shooting you do in harsh ambient light conditions. If you're in studio, not worth it, if you're out in the field all the time, absolutely worth it.

The main reason I have chosen the 70P Marshall as my second monitor (in addition to the 10.9", 1366x768 Manhattan) is its peaking and false color functions. However, I find the peaking to be a bit too "aggressive", i.e. it also displays on edges that aren't necessarily in perfect focus (it's enough for them to be contrasty enough).

The same can happen with the EX1 peaking when set to "high", but here you can decrease the sensitivity to medium or low, which gets rid of the problem and displays the peaking on truly sharp edges only.

Do you have the same problem, and if so - is there any way to alleviate it (I can't see any peaking "tuning" functions in the Marshall menu)?

Mr
 

A few months back I sent my new Marshall 7" HD-SDI field monitor back to Marshall for a check up. When rebooting the camera, the monitor would not receive the signal. I tried all possible as suggested by Marshall before sending it in, but it would still do this after rebooting the camera, and eventually it did it on its own...
They replaced the SDI module and after I got it back I only used it on three shoots. It is now doing it again.
Has anybody had any similar issues? Is there something that I am not doing right here? Yesterday it was a six hour shoot and the monitor was in the director's hands working fine until the last three shots. I had to view past clips to confirm continuity from an earlier shot. That meant rebooting the Sony EX1. After that, I could get no signal. I tried unplugging cables, powering down the monitor, powering down the camera, removing the battery, but it had to go quick so after 5 - 10 minutes of my interruption on set we had to continue without the monitor. I talked to Marshall, but they want me to perform tests; try switching between two equal monitors when this happens, try feeding the failing monitor from another EX1 when this happens. That means I have to rent gear to test my monitor. I would like to avoid further inconveniences with this monitor that I like a lot, when it works, but is causing me loss of business.
Any info would help.

Kind regards,
Alex Vargas

Status during incident: Sony EX1, firmware 1.2, it was plugged to power, Sony SxS card, new BNC cable, battery had 20% left charge on monitor when it happened.

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Hey Alex, what was the final resolution of your Marshall monitor problems? i'm thinking about a Marshall or the equivalent Ikan.

Re: New 7" HDSDI and HDMI Monitors from Marshall
 

The Marshall 70XP now comes with loop-thru on the HDMI ! ! ! ......for about $80 more than the previous 70XP

Jim Martin
FilmTools.com

Re: New 7" HDSDI and HDMI Monitors from Marshall
 

Jim, do you have a link to that "loop-thru" version? I can't find any listing that shows anything apart from the single input version.

Re: New 7" HDSDI and HDMI Monitors from Marshall
 

Here's the link ........
Marshall Electronics - V-LCD70XP-HDMIPT 7" Small Portable Field / Camera-Top DSLR LCD Monitor with HDMI Loop-Through


Jim Martin
FilmTools.com

Re: New 7" HDSDI and HDMI Monitors from Marshall
 

Thanks for the link, Jim. One related question: If you have either the HDMI model or the SDI model and feed it a signal, will there be any video appearing on any of the other connections or does the signal only appear on the loop-thru connection?

Re: New 7" HDSDI and HDMI Monitors from Marshall
 

You send it in HDMI, it goes out HDMI. You send it in HD SDI, it goes out HD SDI. No converting or cross pass through.

Jim Martin
FilmTools.com