Mea Culpa... I always forget to identify myself, even though I know half the names on the thread.

Thanks for the compliment Ken, I do my best.

How's the monitor working?

My 'Nebteked' Panny 7" is working perfectly, Rob. Not a glitch.

Glad to hear it!
Thank you for referring John. I don't know if we will be able to help him, but I promise I'll do my best. Always need to lend a hand to a fellow Gaijin... Wakaru?

While we've got Rob here, isn't the Nebtek 5" considerably higher res than the Panny 7", actually twice the pixel count?

Hi Jim,
I'm sorry to say that is not the case...
Although the NEB50XL has the best Primeview module* available for a 5" TFT/LCD, non-HD monitor, the Panasonic still has the edge.

The NEB50XL is 960 x 234 with a total of 224,640 pixels.
The Panasonic TC-7WMS1 is 234 vertical x 480 horizontal x 3 with a total of 336,960 pixels.
I have asked the same question to Panasonic that all of you have asked... " What's up with that confusing resolution?" In the 3 years we have been a Panasonic Authorized Reseller I have yet to get an adequate response, but according to the Pixel count Panasonic would have the higher res.

The viewability of the NEB50XL is better (especially off axis) and the anti-glare/anti-reflective coating on the Primeview module makes it better for outdoor work, but the Panasonic offers all the image tweaks imaginable (Hue, Saturation, Color Contrast, Brightness). You can really make the image "POP", as opposed to the Color & Brightness only controls on the NEB50XL.

*Primeview module's are the same ones that were used in the Transvideo Rainbow series monitors.

<<The NEB50XL is 960 x 234 with a total of 224,640 pixels.
The Panasonic TC-7WMS1 is 234 vertical x 480 horizontal x 3 with a total of 336,960 pixels.>>

It's pretty bad marketing on Panny's part, because that 3x is both hard to grasp and missing in the specifications at places like B&H. On paper it looks like a 124k resolution. What is the comparable NIT of the 5" and the 7"? Is the Panny a good outdoor screen? I've owned the Nebtek 5" so I'm very familiar with it's daylight performance (which is great).

It was a resolution issue for me, and I'm really not comfortable on critical shoots with anything less than an Hi Res CRT like the 8045Q. That said, a bunch of upcoming travel shoots won't accomodate it, so I'm back looking for the best res LCD I can pack ight for flight.

I couldn't agree with you more. The first question anyone asks me is "What is the resolution?". If they could only come up with a standard resolution that anyone could recognize it would be a much easier sale for me.

The Panasonic NIT lists at not less than 300 cd/m.
The NEB50XL NIT lists at not less than 350 cd/m.

I actually like the NEB50XL better for outdoors (Sundance, Lake Powell, Moab), but I love the picture on the Panasonic when I'm in the studio. As far as replacing a CRT, I just got my hands on the new Panasonic BT-LH900P HD LCD monitor and it is amazing!
Unfortunately when I saw the price I almost had a coronary, and it is bulky monster (forget about mounting it on your camera).

I hear that they are now making the rental lists at most camera houses. It might be a great opportunity to check one out if it is a short shoot and you can get production to pay for it.

Rob, is there a # I can reach you at later this week? I'd like to talk about te 7' conversion etc.

9:30AM - 5:30PM, Mountain Time
801-467-1920

Anyone know of a UK supplier of these Panasonic LCD monitors?

Pro Active UK Ltd.- Neil Hart
18 Brickfields Industrial Estate
Finway Road
Hemel Hempstead, Herts
+44 (0) 1442 253313

Hope this helps...

Wakarimasu, Rob. Amazing how many ex-gaijins I bump into now.

For now, I'm going to go with the "under battery" solution by Varizoom. Eventually though, probably this year, I'll be looking at getting a larger monitor.

I bought my Nebtek 5" like about a year, it's a great TFT, I only use it whth Tripods and I also made a custom adapter to atached on the back of the camera insteed of using it with the shoe mount, this way I can use the shoemount for on light . The Neb Tek is the way to go.

Alexis

Howdy,
I've been putting up with an el cheapo "Starvision" 7 inch LCD monitor that I bought on E Bay (designed for a car but with a shoe mount installed) that is worthless outdoors and the resolution is terrible. After reading this thread I gotta get me one of these 5" Nebteks everyone is talking about. Is there a difference between this:

http://www.zgc.com/zgc.nsf/0/1f4288e...5?OpenDocument

and

http://www.nebtek.com/5inch/NEB50Xlpage.html

other than the price?
TIA,
Randy

To my knowledge they are the same. ZGC is reselling the Nebtek monitor.

Thanks Ken,
I'm sorry to drag this up again everyone, but I have more questions regarding the Nebtek50XL.
As I mentioned above, I already own a (don't laugh) Starvision 7" LCD monitor (that mounts with a cheesy plastic shoe mount) and a 10 pound battery I have to lug around. The resolution claims to be 234 X 1440 (but I never use 16:9). I love the fact that the Nebtek50XL uses the little Canon baterries but I'd like to know that the Nebtek will indeed make a BIG difference from what I already have. I'm trying to compare apples to apples here, I know the Nebtek's resolution is 960 x 234 but I don't know how that compares to a 16:9 display of 234 X 1440 or if resolution is even important in picture quality. The Nebtek has 224,640 pixels but I don't know the pixel count of my "Starvision". I do know that the color is not representing what the camera records but the image is sharp enough if I turn down (way down) the default color setting. I also know it is useless in the sunlight and I need something I can use in the sun (even if I need to buy another Hoodman (is there another option for a hood, the velcro doesn't hold very well after a few uses).

Thanks very much guys,
Randy

Just found this thread, and I was wondering if the Neb50XL would work with the XM2 camera also? I imagine it would with the right video output cable?

Cheers
Aaron

Hey Aaron, I went to the link you posted but couldn't find out where to get the free meat : O
Just kidding...sorry. Actually, if the XM2 has an RCA video output it should work fine, right guys?
Randy

the varizoom doesn't offer a 7" and the nebtek's 7" costs too much

what about adding a TM-7002S (Black) 7" TFT LCD Monitor (Panasonic LCD panel) my guy says he can get me one for $150 - could I just get that?

thanks

that or the PYLE® 7.2 INCH LCD COLOR MONITOR I got a friend that will sell me this for about $75 mint condition

Hi Folks,

I thought I would add that there are a couple of other LCD monitors worth looking at.

Marshall Electronics makes a 7" 16:9 /4:3 switchable LCD and a 6.5" 16:9 HiDef LCD.
They also have 4:3's as small as 4" and larger too.
http://LCDRacks.com

Boland Communications is an American company (builds & Q.C.s them in CA.). Very high quality, reasonably priced. As small as 6.8".
This is the only company I know of that offers a blue only mode for calibration (on some displays) like a pro CRT does. Those that don't have it are calibrated at the factory to a preset.
http://Bolandcom.com

There are Hoodman shades available for all these as well.

Don't mean to be pushy but... anyone have any comments on attching stand alone monitors

like:

TM-7002S (Black) 7" TFT LCD Monitor (Panasonic LCD panel)
or
PYLE® 7.2 INCH LCD COLOR MONITOR

I can get both real cheap, and would save a lot of money vs. getting one of the kits.

ATS Communications (ATSComms.com) and other dealers can provide you with a "hot shoe" adapter to mount it on the camera.

I have also adapted monitors to a short tripod based mic stand with boom arm. This allows someone seated (producer, interviewer) to have a convenient low viewing angle and can also be raised high for the camera person.

Mounting a battery on the back may require custom work. You could have the battery on the ground with a long cable.

Hi Dan,

You could contact NEBTEK and see if they can mount a CANON Lithium-ion Battery Adapter on the back of your monitor. Then you can use your CANON XL1S batteries to power it.

Hey Marty... I saw you with the "Boom Guys" at NAB.
Ever think about becoming a NEBTEK Dealer?
We may be small but we have a great word of mouth reputation in the industry and our monitors speak for themselves.

Rob DuBree
NEBTEK
rob@nebtek.com

"I speak softly, but I carry a big stick."
- Theodore Roosevelt

Quote from a Ken Tanaka post
 

"I recently saw a BP power conversion kit, comparably priced to the Nebtek, that basically attaches to the back of the monitor and plugs into the monitor's existing power connection. I believe it works with the Panny 7". Its advantage would be that it does not require hard-wiring. I -think- I saw it in the Markertek catalog, but am not sure. It may be worth a search there if you're in the market."

Markertek product DELV-BPCA, $84.95. Could someone confirm this will work and be appropriate for this setup > Canon XL1S,
Magiqcam, and 7" Panasonic LCD. Thanks

<<Markertek product DELV-BPCA, $84.95. Could someone confirm this will work and be appropriate for this setup > Canon XL1S,
Magiqcam, and 7" Panasonic LCD. Thanks>>

Ya know Michael, I'd give my business to Nebtek..good guys and really responsive.

I attempted 3 phone calls, one with the "head" of sales because the other two sales guys were totally uninterested in finding the same answer that your asking...two emails at their request to their tech guy to answer the same simple question (they sell both products) and nothing, nada. It's like I was trying to sell them something not buy some of their gear.

Bad company in my experience.

Jim, Are you referring to correspondence with Markertek or to Delvcam?

If Markertek, I've had similar experiences with them and tend to go to them only as a last resort. I get the impression that they are only interested in selling Freightliners full of gear to large production operations. Retail seems to be an annoyance to them.

The Nebtek folks are excellent and I've met some (including the owner). They're small enough so that every person seems to have an important role and they treat their customers with great care.

Markertek Ken...my experience was very similar.

I'd be happy to use Nebtek it was just that some of the threads indicated the price was much more. I'm taking it that this will work. Are there similar products (meaning the battery bracket) that will work? I don't want to 'rewire' anything. Just something that will work on the Magiqcam and possibly on the top or side of the camera itself, and a crane.

It looks like the Nebtek converter will cost $135. It also looks like they're now selling just a stand-alone converter rather than the hard-wired conversion that they performed on my monitor. Perhaps they're no longer offering the h-w conversion service.

See: http://www.nebtek.com/proddetail.php?prod=LIBA

Hi Ken,

We still offer the conversion and the price is the same as the stand-alone battery adapter... $135.

As far as Delvcam's solution goes, I haven't seen it so I can't really comment on it. As an XL1 user I actually prefer the adapter to be "hard mounted" onto the back of my monitor. For me it provides better balance and a stronger sense of security.

NEBTEK pioneered the Li-battery adapter technology in the US (2001), and Panasonic fully authorizes the modifications we do to the TC7-WMS1 (as a Panasonic Value Added Reseller). They know that we have the reputation for building a quality product and offer full support to all of our customers. In the end it's our customer satisfaction that speaks volumes.