Tomorrow I start buying my wedding equipment. Please check my "To Buy" List
 

Note - I already have a Canon HV20 so some of these accessories are for it and not the XH-A1

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Also, I will not be buying ALL the equipment tomorrow so some stuff may be missing, but if you have any suggestions please state them.

I don't see a wireless mic, I use 2 cheap irivers and a archos clipon mic which is excellent for capturing the vows.
F.i. you also could invest in a Zoom h2 or h4 for capturing live singing in the church, I have used my zoom h4 plenty times for this and it also captures sound with high quality.
Don't underestimate the importance of sound, this is half your product.

totally agree, you REALLY need a wireless mic.

The Sennheriser G2 is a good one but a cheaper alterntive is to get an Olympus DS-30 and a lab mic. HAve a look for a post by Travis as he explains his setup.

Youll get in a church, the echo will be all too much for your Rode and having a close lav can really help.

buy photographic equipment instead. buy well maintained used gear, invest as little as possible.
that Libec is a nice pod, i have a bogen 3046, i will sell you for cheap, than you just need a good head for
it, save you $200 or so.

Extra Batteries
LS-38 instead of 22 for the A1
Zoom controller
UV Filter for the A1

Irivers! Best things i ever bought. so cheap. i have five now. turn them on, lock them and forget about them. oh and hit record:)

Yup, you gotta get a wireless mic. If you're short of funds, I'd pass on the Libec and Rode mic and instead get a used Bogen with a 501 head and a Sennheiser G2 lav system.

Instead of MD-3000 light & sound bracket I recommend using Rycote Hot shoe extension.
They come in various sizes, you can mount 2 wireless mic receivers and a light for example.

We use 4" to mount Sennheiser G2 receiver and a light.


Rycote - Hot Shoe Extension
Rycote | 037303 Hot Shoe Extension | 037303 | B&H Photo Video

Ditto that. Fast set up. No more receivers on my cameras. No more transmission problems or the chance you're on the same channel as the church. Synch is perfect. The one thing I miss is being able to keep tabs on the groom before they come out for the beginning of the service.

I keep hearing the Iriver being cheap, I googled Iriver and it cost $ 175.00 on Ebay where can I buy them? The H2 cost $ 200, I thought cheap would be half of that.

Thanks in advance.

Noel -
Prices on eBay are of course all over the place... as befits an auction system... and the 7xx series iRivers command a high premium typically - you can find the 8xx series at better prices, I just sold a couple for around $100 (got one 512M 890 left if you're interested).

Patience and a little knowledge about how to search listings and you might score one even cheaper <wink>, although both the 7xx and 8xx series of iRivers are becoming harder to find. MP3 players with less than a bazillion Gigs of storage and video capability are going the way of the dodo...

The advantage of the iRivers is they are fairly small and easy to stash in a pocket or whatever, smaller than most wireless transmitters... and the H2

I've heard okay reviews of the LS-22. I bought the 22 legs and use them with the 38 head. I really like the 38 head, but the legs are a little too easy to twist when panning. You almost need to have a hand on them a lot of the time. However, for the price they work very well.

I bought 3 Olympus DS-30s off eBay for $80 each and I truly love them. You get over 4 hours of recording time with them, and the sound quality is really good. They're also a fraction of the size (and price) of a wireless system. And syncing is a small inconvenience compared to interference on wireless.

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Dump the RODE videomic I saw on your list. You'll never use a shotgun for weddings (successfully).

dump the hard case, you will waste alot of time open and close that hard case.

get a soft padded bag instead.

I suggest a lowepro commercial AW. great bag! and a shotgun is useful for quick on cam interviews. I ditch mine for reception, because the onboard sony mics do a fine job.

That's interesting to hear this as I was planning to buy one on my xh-a1 because I don't like the sound from the internal mic, why is this and what do you suggest then to get better audio from a reception at a wedding f.i. (Beside the wireless mics and a zoom h4 I allready use but those are for very specific purposes.)
Would a Rode SVM Stereo Video Microphone be a better all-round choice then?

if you're shooting a reception with a shotgun, when you turn away from you source,
you will hear a distinct change in sound. I find the onboard mics don't do that. I 2nd a Zoom H2 or H4. Can't beat it for $200 (H2)

the onboard mic from my older vx2100 was also much better then my xh-a1 and the panasonic dvx100 I have now so I think you need to take an extra (better) mic into consideration which will record audio every time you record and not continuously like the zooms do. These recorders are perfect for ambient sound but only as an external recorder.
In that case you almost need a shotgun mic to pick up the voices a bit better in church for persons were you didn't manage to attach a wireless mic and a Rode SVM Stereo Video Microphone for the ambient sound at receptions?

crap, if you use a wireless on a band's or DJ's soundboard with the Sony cams, you HAVE to use XLR on both, i think the Canon works the same way. In that case, you will need a shotgun on your camera to record ambient sound as well as a mic/line input. You can also feed the input of your zoom to a wireless transmitter as well. Multiple audio backups are a must!

You are correct, once you go to XLR the built-in mic is disabled. I only use the on-camera mic as a backup and for ambient sound (people sounds during the dancing).

I agree with Scott 100%...Great advice there.

Simply use one of your recorders to record your sound source, like mic the PA stack at a 80 degree angle between the tweeter and woofer, then send a wireless feed from the recorders line out to your camera, for consistent backup/sync audio. then use your onboard mic for ambient crowd audio.

You now have the option of either using your recorders audio for main audio or backup. I prefer to use my recorder audio for main audio. Then use the onbaord mic audio on a separate track in my NLE for ambiance.

Of course I have many recorders taht I use to capture audio. My favorite method being to use an Edirol R-44 (4-track SD recorder) and use 2 mics to mic the PA stack (mic woofer and tweeter separately gives me nice full live sound), and also use either the onbaord mics of AT822 stereo mic (facing towards crowd) in channels 3-4 for ambient audio. I then use most of this this perfectly synced audio and mix it in my NLE in post.

But at your stage in the game, the R-44 would be overkill and an added expense that you don't need, since you already have 2 recorders already.

BTW, another method could be to use a wireless mic and mic the PA stack and send this to your camera, and also mount one of your recorders to the same mic stand and record your audio that way. Which ever is easier, you will get good results and save yourself a lot of audio headaches in post.

Just a quick note on this statement, whcih is 100% true. As this is the case with practically all cameras and onboard mics and XLR input.

But a neat thing of note on the new upcoming Sony Z5U, is that you can plug one input into an XLR and still use the onbaord mic. So you could have your wireless in XLR1 and still use the onboard mic for channel 2. Kind of cool.

Sorry to get off track.

While I agree iRivers are inexpensive great for ease of setup they do have drawbacks. Sync unfortunatly is "not" perfect on them. If you have a longer ceremony you'll notice a small drift in sync after the 30 minute mark. After an hour it's easily audible. It'll first begin to start sounding like a mild flanging (echoing) sound. Keep in mind you'll have to compare it to another audio source (onboard mic) to identify it. In other words you may not notice a sync issue simply by reading lips in the video.

Another issue is you cannot adjust levels on the fly. I often adjust the levels manually during the ceremony- ESPECIALLY during the vows. The bride, almost without fail, is always softer than the groom- usually due to the mic being placed on the groom.

I prefer using 2, 3, or even 4 wireless systems. I typically run two right into my main cam an another into my second cam operator's. I put one mic on the groom, one on the officiant, and one on the lecturn. I'll use another wireless if there is a musician. Typically I'll use a shotgun with an XLR butt-plug transmitter rather than using the small diaphram of a lapel mic to capture something potentially loud like musicians.

Of course everything has it's strengths and weaknesses. Wireless runs the risk of having problems with transmition. Granted, knock on wood, the Sony units I have are true diversity and have never had a problem. Even with my wireless units I own 3 iRiver units as well. Sometimes you'll end up with churches that have two lecturns... AND musicians. It's an easy way to mic all the additional spots without breaking the bank (and/or running out of inputs on your cams) with wireless units. Then again I could always utilize a mixer....hmmmm.

Wireless runs the risk of having problems with transmition. Granted, knock on wood, the Sony units I have are true diversity and have never had a problem.

Hey Glen, which Sony wireless unit do you own, is it the Sony UWP-V6 (Sony | UWP-V6 Wireless Plug-in & Lavalier | UWPV6/3032 | B&H)
If you do how do you like it.

I currently use a pair of Samson Micro32 units (diversity as well),a nd although they are cheaply made (compared to the Sennheiser) they have performed flawlessly for me. But I am looking to get rid of them in the coming months, as the FCC ruling banning anything in the 700mhz and above range has me concerned, as the Samson broadcasts on the 800mhz band.

So I have narrowed it down to the Sennhesier G2 and Sony UWP-V6. But Sennhesier has teh new G3 coming out sometime towards the end of the year, but I like the fact that the Sony is true diversity and has a solid metal build.

I'm on the fence and debating between going wireless or staying all direct hard line feed to my camera (for interviews), and digital audio recorders (Edirol R-44, Marantz PMD620, Edirol R09 etc.) fed with line, and mic feeds. Then just sync in post, which I mainly do already.

Oh and BTW, I agree on the iRivers. They aren't the most reliable, but most of all videographers now should be looking for another alternative to the iRivers, as they have been off the market for 4 years now, and even refurbished units are hard to come by. There are so many great ways for us to capture audio now, and it seems each month a manufacturer releases some new small recorder that can produce great results for what our needs are.

The shotgun absolutely saved my ass on my big wedding from April. The audio tech guy was brand spanking newand barely could find the headphone jack (I wish I was joking). That feed from house sound was the noisiest I've ever heard with high freq hissing, mic levels muted after a person started speaking, etc, etc. My AT897 shotgun literally saved many shots because I had some audio of what was going on. Also, the house sound mic'ed the singers but not the piano, so I had to combine sources from the shotgun audio from the piano (and some singer) with the house sound of the singer.

It is always good to have a backup and while on board mics are great for their ability to catch sound in all directions, at weddings you do not want sound from all directions. Onboard mics also pick up every single rustle, tap, click, and bump you make against the body of the camera. In my opinion that makes them nearly useless unless you have a LANC to keep your hands off the camera body while operating it.

So my comment being, get a shotgun they are great backups, know when to use them, and when to use something else. And get a Beachtec ot similar on camera mixer so you can run the shotgun & the wireless mic (if you go with a G2). Otherwise if you use non-wireless lavs (like with the iRiver solution) you won't need the on cam mixer.

I ordered an AT897 a few days ago so I hope that that one together with my 2 irivers and my zoomh4 should cover all the basics. I am very pleased with the irivers though, managed to buy the last ones in a Belgian store as newer models were considerably bigger. I read about them not being so reliable but until now (knock on wood) the have served me well. Even if you can't adust audio levels during recording on them I found that raising the gain in post is no problem, something I need to do to capture the sound from the bride a bit better. Even up to +20 gain the sound stays cleaner then on the onboard mic of the camera.

Hi Noa,

Where do you position the lav mic on the groom? Putting it as low as possible on the groom may help to even out the level of the vows between the bride and groom.

Can someone specify what iriver model they use and what set-up works for them. I'm interested in looking at this versus a G2.

the 7xx and 8xx series work. if you are serious in this business, don't rely on mp3
recorders like irivers. i use them, and have gotten burned plenty of times. GET A GOOD WIRELESS SYSTEM. spend the money on a sennheiser G2, you wont regret it.
as far as recorders go, i highly reccomend a zoom H2, it has meters, and gain control.
you can check your levels as you record and adjust on the fly. dont be cheap when it comes to audio.

I put it quite high, it records every whisper from the groom but I rather have it that way, the audio levels from the groom are always as they should be, only the bride needs quite some adjusting, that's because when she turns her head each time away from the groom to read from a page during the vows. I can hear some more noise from the adjusted audio from the bride in my headset but that one is much more sensitive then the speaker from a tv. On a loudspeakerset of a tv I hardly hear the difference.

Roger: I use a T20MX

I agree with Scott. Don't be cheap with your audio.
You are taking a lot of steps to ensure that you are getting good video. So don't neglect your audio. the iRivers will burn you. And also they are hard to come by as they haven't been manufactured in 4 years. Only refurbished or used units can be had, and might or might not be reliable.

If you really want non-wireless recording, then look into the Zoom H2 (which is the cheapest of these), Marantz PMD620, Edirol R09HR etc. All of these units will enable you to use lav mic input if needed, line input, as well as built in mics for live recording. And best of all you can record in WAV audio format. MP3 sucks for audio capture. For ipod, great, but not live critical audio.

Now if you go wireless go with a Sennhesier G2 or Sony UWP-V6 wireless systems. Make sure that you DON'T purchase a 700mhz or higher system though. As these signal will be going away after FEB 2009.

crap man, my G2 is 700Mhz series. i will still be able to use it, right?

Don't know. It should work, but can't say about reliability.
Sennhesier has pulled their 700 mhz series units. So this should tell you something.
I would contact Sennheiser and see if they are dong anything for their customers.

I think that I read that they might be some sort of mods or exchanges.

i will contact them this week and find out. I think for using it during weddings, it
probably would be ok, but know knows.

I'm not worried and I've got a 700mhz unit. On the bright side... you won't have to worry about colliding frequencies with the church system because they'll revamp theirs first. :)

I have a Zoom H2, 2 AT Pro-88W's, and a Sony Bluetooth mic for my Sony HC3. The Sony bluetooth is surprisingly good and very simple to use. For quick stuff I often reach for it instead of having to wire up the XH-A1. If it's a stable environment I will use wired AT25 lavaliers (built in 20' cord). The Pro-88's are a little finicky for interference, like if you get too close to a fluorescent ballast or if the subject gets more than 25' away.

I'd like to find a Sony bluetooth with a mic jack that will work with non-Sony cameras. The model I have has a built in mic and requires the proprietary Sony hotshoe. Very convenient and great range.

The H2 has great sound quality but the files get quite large in a hurry. I don't see any low bit-rate settings. It seems to be all or nothing and the GB's start racking up pretty quickly.