Audio Capture during Reception- Best Practice
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I have an Iriver, I usually ask for a feed from the DJ to record the audio from the reception, I sometimes get an aux out or tape record out, last Saturday, I got a feed from tape record out. I uploaded the file today and I got zero recording. With no time to test, as in most cases, any best practices you like to share. tape out vs. aux out? Much appreciated. Note: It's a good thing I miked the Groom separately during his speech. Thanks. |
I never trust an audio source unless I have listened to the playback. I just record a few seconds, stop, and listen.
Sometimes you get a reception hall (like a VFW or church basement) that has a super-simple PA with no aux or tape output. Then I'd put a recorder near a speaker or on the table in front of the B&G. |
Thanks Chris, I know I should have done a test but it is one of those weddings where you barely have enough time to set-up lights.
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We've all been there-done that. Non-repeatable events will always have these problems. All we can do is remember next time and thank God we at least had some sort of backup.
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After having been burned once or twice with DJs audio plugins, and hating the most simple approach of simply using a shotgun for receptions I started playing with using some sort of mic at the DJs speakers using a wireless plug to my receiver.
I tried every combintion I could think off and for the last few years have been using a Sennheiser E604 drum mic placed a few inches in front off and slightly below the DJs speaker. I use my plugin transmitter back to my camera to Channel 2 on my camera. I combine that with my AKG300SE/CK93 Hypercaroid on the camera to channel 1 and I can honestly say that in the last few years of using this system my reception audio has been about as good as it gets. Very little if any sweetening in post. The drum mic is made to take the high SPLs and does a great job of picking up the low end of the spectrum and the hypercaroid does a wonderful job of getting the high end and the room noise so it doesn't sound like the track is just layed in and I get to monitor the sound thru out. While it may not be the most preffered method it works for me. |
Hi Noel,
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Mini Gold Plated Mono Microphone The input level is set pretty low - around 42. I use 3" wide gaffer's tape - cant even see it when they're holding it. I love the looks I get from the staff at the halls - "what the $@%& is this on the mic?" |
Most DJs today have self powered speaker systems like the JBL Eon series. Instead of trying to figure out how to get out of their mixer, simply plug into the line out at the back of the speaker. It's an XLR connector. Very simple and Foolproof!
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Now I use a 1GB iriver out of the DJ/house gear and am very happy with it - levels set at 40 which seems to be pretty safe and recording at 320kbps. The only thing I dislike is you can't monitor it live so it's a bit hit and miss. I don't like putting all my audio eggs in one basket so usually have an alternate option in place - lapel mic taped to fixed lecturns or similar as a backup. I'm gradually building my 'collection of connections' to cover most things. RCA outs have been available in most situations but last wedding I used a 6.5mm mono connector. Like Warren suggested - I actually purchased an XLR connector today to get direct line out of the speakers when the situation allows. The other thing I've found is syncing up in post can be a bit of a pain as you get some drift in the audio but it's generally worth the relaticely small inconvenience. Cheers, Matt. |
Thanks for the input guys. I never thought of getting the feed from the powered speaker, I will do that this Saturday. The mono mic should work wonders in the church. As in almost all churches, you can't access the PA system.
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A digital recorder plugged into the DJ station, an H2 mounted near the bridal party's table with the gain cranked to spy on them (ok, a little creepy), an H4 mounted up above to get a good ambient mix, and shotgun mics on all the cameras....
Might be a bit overboard, but I'd rather be safe than sorry. |
My setup is simple and quick, no matter where I film. I can set this up in 5 minutes flat. And I can setup my Reception lighting in 10 minutes.
I take a mic and attach 2 audio recoridng sources to a mic stand. 1. Sennheiser plug on transmitter to it, and also 2. Small recorder like Zoom H2 or Zoom H4n The mic stand is placed near a PA stack or on stage with a band. Here's an older setup that I used to use, the one I mentioned is similar. LVProductionsTools of the Trade: Mobile Audio Rig I now have 2 audio sources in which I can use in post. This is normally the recorder audio, and then I use the wireless feed for backup or sync purposes. There are times when I will take a board feed, if I'm comfortable with the DJ, but I actually prefer a live sounding mix. So I would take the board feed just for mi purposes. This is the smallest and simplest of my setups, as I have other recorders (Marantz PMD620 or 4-channel Edirol R44) and recording options that I use as well, for different circumstances. BTW, be careful of plugging into powered speakers, as the power could fry your recorder circuitry. |
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When you have the budget I'd always recommend radio mics on each person speaking unless it's a female when I either take her from a radio mic on the man sitting next to her or an AT31a on a table stand into an H4. We use three z1s so we have six channels available and have AT897s on each second channel for ambient/backup unless four or more people are speaking.
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The levels coming from the board are "line level" as opposed to "mic level" so the signal is a little hotter than a mic. The thru signal also comes out as line level because the amplifier for the self-powered speaker is only amplifying the signal toward the speakers, not back into the thru output. Most XLR cables are not designed to handle power from an amp. So you shouldn't have a problem plugging into the last speaker in the chain and running it to your recorder. Just remember that most recorders (such as my Edirol) have a switch to toggle between line level and mic level. Also, always check the input levels on the recorder to make sure you're not running too loud. Much easier to boost moderate levels than it is to fix clipped audio. Your mileage may vary and it's a good idea to be familiar with some of the speakers you're liable to encounter. Here are a few common ones... JBL :: Product The JBL EON product only has Neutrik connectors. Mackie - SR1521z The Mackie product has XLR thru outputs. |
Hi Aaron,
So it would be safe to plug in the recorder as long as you make sure it's the speaker at the end of the daisy chain? Thanks |
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Yes, for an active speaker. That is, a speaker that has the amplifier built in. Passive speakers also have a thru option, but will be a "powered" thru. You don't want to plug in a recorder to a thru on a passive speaker. Just make sure you know that it's an active speaker and not a passive speaker. A passive speaker has no built-in amp, but instead it's powered by an amplifier and the power travels along the heavy speaker cable. An active speaker is one that has the amp built into the speaker itself. Hope this helps. |
Anyone using an Olympus LS10? Or is that a bit overkill for wedding audio? Something like the H2 would be fine?
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Roland U.S. - R-09: WAVE/MP3 Recorder The problem I've encountered is it really makes a huge difference where you position the R-09 if you're not plugged in to the mixer. I've tried to record a couple of concerts with it just sitting next to me, and it's failed miserably. Don't know if the Olympus is any better, but I'd recommend at least a good shotgun mic plugged into it. |
Shotgun mic? But I'm only interested in capturing good ambient stereo/surround audio.. like guests reacting to a speech etc... I just ordered two H2s Will place one strategically in the room, record on 4 channel surround mode. Put one maybe by the couple to capture their reactions and my Oly DS30 + Lav mic hooked up to the podium... Then I've got the AKG PR81 Wireless lav going to my camera... That should cover it eh?
I've read reviews saying the H2 has a noisy external mic pre-amp.. but I figured that it's only noise to anal audiophiles.. it's probably more than adequate to record audio for a wedding video. |
I said shotgun mic just because that's generally what I have with me. Really any mic that picks up ambient audio will work. I don't like using the built-in microphones on the small recorders because they're noisy and they have limited frequency range.
I think your setup should be more than adequate for wedding video sound. |
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