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Taky Cheung January 21st, 2010 01:20 AM

I'm also using an Olympus voice recorder and a lav mic. I ditch the wireless setup long time ago as there're range problem and interference problem. Now with the voice recorder, I have an additional voice clip to use. I wrote that in my blog Wireless Mics vs Voice Recorders | L.A. Color Blog

Michael Dontigney January 21st, 2010 09:10 AM

Actually it was your blog that helped convince me to change to the digital recorders back in 2007/2008.

Thanks!

Jim Schuchmann January 21st, 2010 10:41 AM

Triple check the input setting!
 
I also use the Olympus DS-30 thanks to Travis' review. There down to 77.99 at B&H Photo.
Just remember to set the input level to "Dictation". "Conference" and "Lecture" will add unwanted gain in the audio track.

Taky Cheung January 21st, 2010 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike Dontigney (Post 1475236)
Actually it was your blog that helped convince me to change to the digital recorders back in 2007/2008.

Thanks!

Thanks! I'm glad I can make a difference =)

Travis Cossel January 21st, 2010 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim Schuchmann (Post 1475261)
I also use the Olympus DS-30 thanks to Travis' review. There down to 77.99 at B&H Photo.
Just remember to set the input level to "Dictation". "Conference" and "Lecture" will add unwanted gain in the audio track.

Correct. The 'dictation' setting works the best. Very clean audio.

Jim Snow January 21st, 2010 04:37 PM

Thanks for the info Travis. I use a Zoom H2 quite a bit. It does a great job with clean audio but it's too much of a "wad" to use on someone. I've always like the small size of the Olympus DS-30. How do you compare the audio from the H2 versus the DS-30?

Jim Schuchmann January 21st, 2010 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Travis Cossel (Post 1475413)
Correct. The 'dictation' setting works the best. Very clean audio.

Yeah, I made the mistake once of recording the audio only of a training seminar and set the DS-30 on "Lecture" so that I would pick up the speaker at the lecture. Did a great job of that, in that, I could hear every sound in the room.

At the next wedding I forgot to switch the setting back to "Dictation" - the gain made the recording very hard to use - spent a lot of time EQing the a/c and other noises out of it to try to get it down to an acceptable level.

I always triple check the input setting switch now. Mistakes are sometimes the best teachers! :-))

Jacques E. Bouchard January 22nd, 2010 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter Rush (Post 1472662)
I'm with Travis - I've had problems with wireless systems including interference and a reluctance from the church to allow me to use them. I now use Olympus WM-311 recorders (one of the groom and one on the lecturn) with audio-technica lav mics. I also put a zoom H2 set to front and rear record as near the action as possible as a fail-safe. this leaves my rode shotgun mic on the camera as yet another source.


Apart from compensaing for the audio drift during the edit it's been pretty much a trouble free setup for me

Thanks to you and the others for commenting about DVRs. I'm currently doing interviews using a respectabe Audio Technica wireless that has me very pleased, but today the subject just brushed her hair away from her face and her arm created interference for a second. Also, yesterday I was interviewing twins and with only one lav, I had to use a shotgun mic in a live room. Fortunately, the documentary form allows for less-than-perfect shooting conditions.

DVRs are an affordable alternative to expensive multi-channel wireless systems. What models have SD cards and best battery life?

J.

Jacques E. Bouchard January 22nd, 2010 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Travis Cossel (Post 1472797)
Once you try and add a mic to the bride you alter that experience for her. Obviously if the mic is visible then you've taken away from her appearance, and that is huge. But even if you cleverly hide the mic, many brides aren't going to like it because they're going to feel the mic and know that it's on them. A mic is not a feminine 'accessory'. It's not something that adds to her beauty. Mentally it IS going to affect how they feel about themselves.

Maybe if Cartier made diamond lavs... :-)


J.

Travis Cossel January 22nd, 2010 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim Snow (Post 1475431)
Thanks for the info Travis. I use a Zoom H2 quite a bit. It does a great job with clean audio but it's too much of a "wad" to use on someone. I've always like the small size of the Olympus DS-30. How do you compare the audio from the H2 versus the DS-30?

I've never used the H2. We jumped into the Olympus DVR's many years ago and stuck with them. All I can say is that the audio quality is top notch. I'll be posting a full cinematic feature to the 'samples' section here in the next week or so and you'll be able to check out the audio and see what you think. d;-)

Travis Cossel January 22nd, 2010 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Jacques E. Bouchard (Post 1475823)
Thanks to you and the others for commenting about DVRs. I'm currently doing interviews using a respectabe Audio Technica wireless that has me very pleased, but today the subject just brushed her hair away from her face and her arm created interference for a second. Also, yesterday I was interviewing twins and with only one lav, I had to use a shotgun mic in a live room. Fortunately, the documentary form allows for less-than-perfect shooting conditions.

DVRs are an affordable alternative to expensive multi-channel wireless systems. What models have SD cards and best battery life?

J.

Well, if the subject's arm brushed against the mic and caused static, that will happen whether or not you use a wireless system or a DVR. Just wanted to be clear on that.

We choose the Olympus DS30's for many reasons, including battery life. I think on the highest quality setting the DVR's can run for like 4 hours, which is plenty of time for us. We usually use them for 30-45 minutes for the ceremomy, and maybe an 1-2 hours for the reception. This year we're also going to be experimenting with some new uses. They record to an internal memory card.

Oh, and a diamond lav would be sweet. d;-)

Jacques E. Bouchard January 22nd, 2010 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Travis Cossel (Post 1475846)
Well, if the subject's arm brushed against the mic and caused static, that will happen whether or not you use a wireless system or a DVR. Just wanted to be clear on that.

Nope, no physical contact. Just air.

And I don'tthink that 4 hours of recording time would cut it for me. I see that the DS-40 and DS-50 models have 512 MB and 1 GB of flash memory respectively.

J.

Travis Cossel January 22nd, 2010 03:02 PM

So the air movement against the mic caused the static? That would still happen with any lav. If not, I don't see how a moving arm could cause interference with a wireless signal.

Jacques E. Bouchard January 22nd, 2010 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Travis Cossel (Post 1475869)
So the air movement against the mic caused the static?

No. She moved her arm, the mic went *bzzt*. Interference. It's quite common, the human body is a huge antenna.


J.

Ken Diewert January 22nd, 2010 09:55 PM

Travis and other DVR users,

Where are you placing the Olympus DVR? I see it just has built in mics. I recently picked up a Zoom H4 and have used it with my Senn G2 plugged into it and also just using the built in mics (the built in mics are really very good).

Taky Cheung January 22nd, 2010 10:05 PM

You need to get a wired lav mic like this to clip to the groom. Then have the groom put the voice recorder in his pocket.

Amazon.com: Olympus ME-15 Microphone: Electronics

Ken Diewert January 22nd, 2010 10:19 PM

Aaaah! Cool. Didn't see that the Olympus had an external input.

Taky Cheung January 24th, 2010 01:39 AM

Oh I put together a demo showing the vows recorded using the Olympus voice recorder

http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/wedding-...vows-demo.html

Alex Khachatryan January 24th, 2010 05:31 PM

I'd like to try olympus. Looking at DS-30 right now, but it seems like it will not work with Mac.

Travis Cossel January 24th, 2010 09:58 PM

It works fine with Macs. We edit exclusively with Macs and have no issues.

Alex Khachatryan January 24th, 2010 10:08 PM

Thank you Travis, I will definitely get one.

Ian VanCattenburch January 25th, 2010 06:32 PM

I river's all the way. I've been using them for over a year now and I've never looked back. You can't beat the price either. Throw a squid mic on it above the shirt or under the shirt on a windy day and you're sitting pretty.

David Grinnell February 15th, 2010 07:46 PM

Looks like the DS30 has been discontinued ... :(

Would the WS-400S provide the same thing or should I get something else...

Tom Dickerson February 15th, 2010 10:33 PM

I also use the Olympus DS30. It looks like B&H has it's replacement (DM-420) for about $118. I think Amazon does too.

Shane Tincu February 16th, 2010 03:27 PM

I have an Olympus LS-10 at work that I use to record board meetings and such plugged into the output of a Sure 8 port mixer...then post the audio to our web site.
Very easy to use, and great audio. Even just setting the recorder on the table during a meeting it records incredible audio, nice and deep tones, and thats on the lower setting.
I also took the recorder to a club and recorded a friends band, the recorder was about 100' from the stage and the audio actually came out pretty good!

I never thought about using it for recording weddings and such.
Whats the differance in the LS series, DS series, and WS series from a wedding recording standpoint? Big differance in prices! Also, I just purchased a Panasonic HMC150 camera, will the audio match up the same as with a DV cam?
Thanks.
-Shane

Darrick Vanderwier February 19th, 2010 10:46 PM

I'll add in my question here as well ...
Which current model would you recommend from BH Photo for use at receptions.
I am using a mac. would prefer if I didn't have to adjust audio drift if possible but have done it before so I am not too concerned. Are there any that record to 48 rather than 44 so they would sync up?
Thanks in advance!
also any links to lapel mics (or whatever you are connecting to these things) and the fuzzy covers that you know work well in windy situations would also be appreciated.

Darrick Vanderwier March 13th, 2010 12:42 PM

Just got word that the 2 Olympus 6200-PC recorders are in as well as the lav mics I ordered with them.
I will use them on my next wedding and let everyone know my thoughts.
I would like to thank Travis for helping me think outside the box on this one b/c I had always thought we needed to have wireless mics direct to the camera etc.... What a brilliant idea!
Saved me over 1500.00 from the mics I had been looking at.

Christopher Figueroa March 13th, 2010 05:02 PM

I've used the following system for 5 years and it's been FLAWLESS. Great investment.

Samson Micro 32 Series - Camera Mountable UHF Wireless Combo System with M32 Micro Diversity Receiver, "Q" Mic/H32 Handheld Transmiter, T32 Micro Beltpack Transmitter and Audio-Technica MT-350 Lavalier Microphone


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