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Denny Lajeunesse February 2nd, 2010 12:16 AM

One Camera Wedding shoots
 
After doing some research, (My Mother is a 16 year Wedding Commissioner in British Columbia), I have discovered that the area we are in mostly hires for one camera wedding video's. Which is odd since Kelowna is a fairly high money area.

Anyhow, since this will be my first year of doing weddings (I have shot just about everything else since 2002/03) I am curious how you you guys and gals shoot one cam wedding video in todays age?

Alec Moreno February 2nd, 2010 12:52 AM

One approach is to not get so fancy that you might blow a really important shot, and to capture as much additional footage as possible in between the special events of the day. The best approach really depends on the style you're going for in the edit though. Whatever it is, just keep the edit in mind and capture footage accordingly.

Alec Moreno
http://www.1Day1ShotProductions.com

Mario Vermunt February 2nd, 2010 02:52 AM

Although they pay you for a one camera shoot, nothing stands in your way to use a second (cheap) camera (just on a tripod, no operator) to catch some overall shots. It does not cost you much extra time and buys you a lot of safety during the ceremony.

Your clients will be happy to get some extra and you can make your montage much more interesting.

Stephen J. Williams February 2nd, 2010 08:28 AM

Denny...

I pretty much shoot one camera all the time. My last wedding was a two camera shoot but only because I had a friend who wanted some learning experience.

When it comes to the ceremony I dial my creative dial down a bit. Most of the shots are static. I usually do a simple push from out of the isle when the bride is coming down (thats about as fancy as I get).
For B roll footage I grab a lot of close ups of the Bride and Grooms face's and CU of them holding hands. The key is knowing when a good time is to grab a few frames during the ceremony so you don't miss anything. Before the ceremony I focus in on peoples faces who are basically just staring ahead very intently.
This usually splices in well as if they were paying attention to what's going on.

All that being said... I just picked up an HV40 as a B cam to give me another angle. I'm excited to leave my one camera wedding days in the past.

Steve

Don Bloom February 2nd, 2010 10:51 AM

one camera shoots used to be the norm. I'm talking about back in the 80s when most people couldn't afford more than that much less drag all that stuff around.
Anyway during a ceremony, it's my opinion, that it is not the time to try to get to Hollywood. A ceremony is generally a religious event although not always but there is nothing wrong with shooting it straightforward and cutting in B footage in post. I try to keep my ceremonys pretty simple and document the event. While I do run a 2nd and sometimes a 3rd camera for the most part I keep in my mind that the only camera that has a shot is the one I have my hands on. Cameras get blocked, tapes jam, batteries die, all kinds of things can and do happen and we aren't aware of it. Having said that, most often the ceremony happens right in front of you so a position looking at the altar from the center aisle is generally a good place to be. If you have a 2nd, 3rd, 4th camera running and have a good shot from it (them) great but you might not know that until you go to edit. Preceremony, post ceremony, by all means i try to get some creative stuff and additional B footage to cut into the ceremony footage but again, it's my opinion and only my opinion that a wedding ceremony is an event that should be done pretty straightforward and hence 1 camera can work out quite well.
When I started in the business and only had 1 camera it made me learn how to shoot in a way that I made sure the event was covered without depending on more than the 1 camera I had. To be sure my coverage is documentary but none of my clients have ever been unhappy with the type of coverage they've received over the last 26 years.
Short answer, yes, you can do weddings with 1 camera but if you can set up a 2nd to get another shot to cut to, then by all means do it but keep in mind that being unmanned, things can happen so don't bet your event on the footage from it.
Just my opinion, YMMV!

Ken Diewert February 2nd, 2010 11:07 AM

Denny,

I have to agree with Steve and Mario. I thought I was the last one to shoot one-camera weddings. I kind of looked at it as a challenge. It's kind of like driving without a seatbelt though. I was lucky in that I never had a disaster, but the ceremony coverage gets very weak from only one angle. After the ceremony one camera is plenty, though a back-up helps in case of disaster.

Last year I picked up an HV30, then the 5d2 so now I actually use three cams. Now I have the opposite problem of having too much to look after. The last wedding a did last year, I brought in an assistant just to babysit the hv30 during the ceremony and paid him $100.00.

The only advantage to one-cam is that it does make you a better camera op - because alot of the time there is no cutaway (though I would always shoot b-roll just before the ceremony started).

Even a second HV on a tripod set at wide angle will give you something else, and you can run another mic to it just for the safety net. That way you can pick-up your a-cam and move it without fear of ruining a shot, knowing that you have a cutaway.

With the low cost of decent cams nowadays it doesn't really make sense not to have a second unit, even if you only use a few minutes of the footage.

Erik Andersen February 2nd, 2010 11:33 AM

Chiming in with Ken, there's no reason not to have a couple angles in addition to the one you are operating. The great thing about ceremonies is that they are fairly static. You can frame up two cameras - one from each side - in a MCU of the bride and the groom. They won't move much, and if they do just check the cameras quickly.

As to your angle, hang out in the aisle for the symmetrical shot. Focus on getting cutaways, getting a solid shot during the rings and vows, and above all on the audio. Great audio will save any video.

Do a few weddings, then check out the famed Still Motion 1 videographer all-7D wedding (js plus esther). It's possible to be uber creative despite being the only op, it just requires planning and not being obsessed with capturing every single second.

Waldemar Winkler February 2nd, 2010 02:11 PM

Like many, I also started with one camera, a tripod, a cheap 2-channel wireless mic (VHF) system, a big tool box on wheels for equip. storage, an iMac and the very first version of iMovie. Indeed, compared to linear editing systems iMovie was a dream come true.

The single camera approach could have been a challenge, but I had a large body of experience working as a candid photographer producing "happy face" computer driven slide shows for the meetings and conventions industry. The transition to a single video camera was not, at the time, a big concern for me. I was able to "tell the story of the day" quite well ... or so I thought. It was only when I saw samples of what multiple camera angles could do that I realized I had to acquire more cameras.

Nonetheless, some of my best work is still represented in those first weddings. I would strongly suggest anyone limit themselves to one camera to document a complicated event, if for no other reason than that limitation is an amazing teacher.

Denny Lajeunesse February 2nd, 2010 04:42 PM

Thanks for the tips.

For me a 2 cam shoot will mean another operator as I can not afford to buy another cam at the moment.

Clients around here seem to not want to pay very much, even though It's the sunny and hot Okanagan with a lot of money floating around.

Actually, clients for any kind of video work here seem to want it low priced. I'm starting to dislike doing business here. :(

Don Bloom February 2nd, 2010 05:38 PM

If you can't afford another camera then you might not be able to hire another operator so here's a couple things I learned doing 1 camera shoots. Keep movement to a minimum, make slow pans, tilts and easy on the zooms. Anticipate the next move and stay on your toes (not literally) don't get distracted.
I, like many others that started with one camera, have found that I learned how to be a better camera operator because I knew if I screwed up I had nothing to cut to so my prayer before a wedding had always been, "Lord, please don't let me screw up"
O|O
\__/

Ken Diewert February 2nd, 2010 09:49 PM

Denny,

Almost every motion picture up until the last few years was filmed with one-cam, so it can be done. I've shot probably 20 weddings over the years with only one camera. Weddings weren't something I targeted until recently. Now I've come to embrace them and have a site specifically to trying to get wedding biz.

I just attended a one-day bridal show (in Victoria, BC) where there were over 400 brides, it cost $600 for the table but have 2 weddings already booked (at a minimum 1500.00 per), with several more potential bookings. I also have an ad on facebook where I target male and females in the two largest cities near me over 18 who list their status as engaged. I pay x amount per click thru to my website.

I have have ads on craigslist and kijiji as these are pretty heavily indexed by google, and are free.

I really only started taking wedding seriously at the beginning of last year (I shot a wedding New Years day).

My rates are higher this year than they were last year, and I expect to raise them next year. I re-invest money directly back into the business and constantly work to make the product better. A lot of people think that weddings are a place to start, but anyone who has shot a few knows that to do them well is one of the most challenging things you will ever produce.

What I'm getting at is: There are clients out there looking for quality work, but you do have to grind it out.

Kelowna has probably a bigger population than Victoria, and probably a younger trending demographic, so don't give up.

And as for the one camera or 6, it doesn't matter. I'd rather have my wedding shot by a very talented 'cinematographer' with one camera, than a hack with 6.

Good Luck and don't give up.

Kyle Root February 2nd, 2010 10:01 PM

Shooting a ceremony with 1-camera can be done, but as noted with the declining costs of cameras and their increasing quality, using 2 is probably a better option. Strictly from a "safety net" perspective. After all you are getting paid to capture the event, and if heaven forbid a tape jams up when the rings are exchanged or your battery decides to malfunction, having a backup cam goes a long way.

I do film ceremonies with 1 camera, but rarely.

I prefer to do two and have one "always wide" from the rear shooting the stage.

That gives freedom to move about a little and get some different angles.

Shooting with two cams and putting that together isn't too much more intensive in post.

As mentioned get some good shots of the decorations and people etc and you can use those as cutaways too.

Jeff Dinges February 3rd, 2010 10:56 PM

The thing with one cam shoots that I don't get is how are you supposed to get the frontal of bride walking down isle seamlessly and blending in the ambient music? How in the world do you do a "documentary" style wedding with one camera when you have to cut out footage and hence cut out the natural sound? slow mo? Answer... yes.

Don Bloom February 4th, 2010 07:17 PM

It shouldn't be any different no matter how many cameras you're running.
For me, I'm at the front and as the bride and groom are making their way to the altar I make sure to follow them and then make my way back to my main shooting position. I don't swish pan and run, I follow the bride down the aisle, she gets handed off to the groom and I follow as I make my way. Audio is still going to my A cam thru the 2 lavs I have placed on the groom and lectern.
It's not as hard as some make it out to be.

Denny Lajeunesse March 1st, 2010 12:49 PM

Thanks for your replies.

Seems a bit stressful booking that first wedding. Over the last 8 years I have shot just about every type of video footage, from commercials to documentaries to dramatic to MTV. On hand helds to Shoulder mounted Cams. But no weddings. :)

Hope I get this right. Nothing like the pressure of a brides "special moments". Can't exactly schedule a reshoot. haha.

BTW, weather in BC is way way way above normal temps (anyone watching the Olympics should have noticed that). Curious to how that will affect bookings. I have my first wedding scheduled for June.

Downside to the good weather is my snowmobile project has been suspended till next season.

Philip Howells March 1st, 2010 07:57 PM

If you're intending to work unobtrusively (most UK couples prefer it and many churches insist on it), that means no moving during the ceremony until the registers are to be signed. That in turn means serious limitations on the choice of shots - or a very creative B roll (though I think many people know when they're being shown a bunch of flowers instead of the bride's face) - or an incredibly creative cameraman (whom I've never met).

In short I've never done a less than two-camera shoot and nowadays never do with less than three identical cameras. As well always tell our clients, you wouldn't shoot the local news show with less than three cameras.

Denny Lajeunesse March 3rd, 2010 07:12 PM

Civil weddings here far outnumber Church Weddings. At least in the Kelowna area. Destination wedding area.

Howard Neill March 3rd, 2010 09:31 PM

My first wedding was my only one camera shoot. That was way back in 1995. The video came out OK and the clients were happy, but I felt far too vulnerable. There is always the chance of human error, mechanical breakdown, and other forces beyond your control.

For the next shoot, I got a 2nd camera. By the end of the following year, I added a 3rd camera and we now work with 4, for the service

Good luck with your one camera shoot. I have a videographer friend who has done a one camera shoot for years and years. There are times that he has had some explaining to do, to the client, when things go wrong. Things will go wrong from time to time. A multi camera shoot helps to ease that problem.

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Steven Arbiu March 4th, 2010 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Erik Andersen (Post 1480675)

Do a few weddings, then check out the famed Still Motion 1 videographer all-7D wedding (js plus esther). It's possible to be uber creative despite being the only op, it just requires planning and not being obsessed with capturing every single second.

That Still Motion is my bible to wedding videography. What I would like to know is what they're actual full wedding video looked like and how long it was because it looks like he would have to be in a million spots at once not to mention he had 3 to 4 audio recorders going along with the 7d's and most of it looks like B roll. My true question is, do you go for the full cinematic approach and miss something and hope they don't notice or mind.

Michael Simons March 4th, 2010 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Steven Arbiu (Post 1494643)
That Still Motion is my bible to wedding videography. What I would like to know is what they're actual full wedding video looked like and how long it was because it looks like he would have to be in a million spots at once not to mention he had 3 to 4 audio recorders going along with the 7d's and most of it looks like B roll. My true question is, do you go for the full cinematic approach and miss something and hope they don't notice or mind.

Not to mention there is no photographer in the way. I'm guessing StillMotion gets brides that cater to them and the photography is secondary, which usually isn't the norm in my area.

Marty Welk March 4th, 2010 07:21 AM

i dont know how anybody could do it with one, miss something or something fails and you will be the next contestant on the Judge Judey show.
even if i sell a wedding AS a one camera, i will not do the Cerimony part itself without another camera. Guess it depends on so many things though. if your only doing some cuts, or think you can just miss something that . . .

" A little girl grows up and some day she is going to be a Princess, if only for a day, she has spent the last decade(s) thinking about being this princess. MONTHS before the wedding goes off, she and anyone else she can rope in have worked on this Day endlessly in thier minds. a few days before the actual event things start to ramp up, every waking moment of her life is thinking about the event, the crowning victory of her entire existance. Daddy + others has just forked over from $5000 to $50000 dollers of hard earned money for one Glorious day that even if it could be re-enacted it can Not Be Repeated."

and you missed something. they mortaged thier house to do this, and you missed something. She spends half her life working for this moment and you blew it for her.

I cant tell you how important it is when you are "professional" that your representing every professional out there, and you screw this up or any part of it, and every single one of us are going to be editing UNCLE BOBS special freebie video.
because uncle bob has one camera , and a mac laptop.
The people everyone out there is PAYING, really have to be getting what they are paying for and really happy to be paying for it, and not having it messed up in any way. because Uncle bob loves to do this for free, and if there isnt many many advantages to paying, and the pros arent prepared for everything, uncle bob can replace us :-(

so when it comes to can i do a wedding with A camera and mabey a microphone, YES and Uncle Bob can too. And when he does, were out of a job.
ramp it up, and dont stop ramping it up, OWN uncle bob.

Disclaimer:
All charachters represented in this post are purely fictious, even if your Bob, and an uncle your not the uncle bob i was referring to, and brides are not princesses, its only a fantasy written in a big book somewhere i read once.

Christopher Figueroa March 8th, 2010 10:56 AM

I only shoot 1-camera weddings. It's how I was taught, and I feel I've mastered it to the point that a 2nd camera seems like a big production to me. (Although I do like the look)

The most important characteristic a videographer needs to have when shooting a 1-camera wedding is ANTICIPATION. You cannot React to the moment, you need to Anticipate it. I need to know or at least make an educated guess what is going to happen in 5 seconds, 30 seconds, 1 minute, and in 5 minutes. If I know the future, I know where I should be and why. I need to be in the best position for the best shot.

Obviously, when shooting 1-camera, there's always the prospect of having the dreaded "Jump Cut", so I always make sure when I start and stop recording, that my shot is entirely different. If I just ended with a close-up of the bride, then my very next shot should start with a wide shot of the church. My unedited raw footage should be totally watchable as a final product if it needed to be.

Ilya Spektor March 8th, 2010 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Christopher Figueroa (Post 1496614)
I only shoot 1-camera weddings. It's how I was taught, and I feel I've mastered it to the point that a 2nd camera seems like a big production to me. (Although I do like the look)

The most important characteristic a videographer needs to have when shooting a 1-camera wedding is ANTICIPATION. You cannot React to the moment, you need to Anticipate it. I need to know or at least make an educated guess what is going to happen in 5 seconds, 30 seconds, 1 minute, and in 5 minutes. If I know the future, I know where I should be and why. I need to be in the best position for the best shot.

Obviously, when shooting 1-camera, there's always the prospect of having the dreaded "Jump Cut", so I always make sure when I start and stop recording, that my shot is entirely different. If I just ended with a close-up of the bride, then my very next shot should start with a wide shot of the church. My unedited raw footage should be totally watchable as a final product if it needed to be.

I absolutely agree with Christopher - I shoot the same 1-camera style, 'in-camera edit'. It is very important, in addition to wireless, to have at least one independent audio recorder though: video can be interrupted and covered up in post but audio should be continuous (I use Zoom-4n for this...)

Christopher Figueroa March 9th, 2010 11:04 AM

Thank you Ilya.

Yes, starting and stopping the recording CAN be an issue with audio if one is not anticipating. So what exactly is Zoom4-n?

Mitja Gregorin March 27th, 2010 04:48 AM

One camera shot
 
I am not a professional videographer, but occasionally captures a wedding for some friends, neighbors,relatives or coworkers. This is just my hoby. Shooting with the single sd camera Canon XM2 (GL2). Because I made a lot of of the quick move and change positions, so I use monopod. In addition, I try to capture a lot of material for the B-roll. For backup I have my old camera that I have in the backpack, or just turn on at the ceremony and placed on a tripod. But almost never use this clip in the final edit.


Philip Howells March 27th, 2010 10:59 AM

I've just come back to this thread again and want to add this comment. I know I'm a pro and many here are just hobbyists but frankly why bother investing in a good camera if your second camera is going to be a "cheap" old, inferior camera. So will the shots from it so you might just as well use two or three cheap, old cameras. At least the results will look the same.

Denny Lajeunesse March 30th, 2010 02:32 PM

Yeah, that's what bothered me with the "use a cheap cam for 2nd cam" suggestions.

1: It's static so no ability to reframe etc.

2: Quality. Maybe some consumer HD cams I could get away with but then, they aren't exactly "cheap" either. I use an HMC150 so the footage would need to match some what. (Otherwise why did I buy a $3000+ cam in the first place?)

That said. Anyone know of a reasonably priced consumer cam that is HD? Might be OK for outdoors but any low light will probably kill me with those tiny sensors. Might train up a friend to work the 2nd cam during the ceremony so I have some coverage while I move positions. I oculd hire an op with cam that i trust but then then I would have to charge sig more for that and pricing is already an issue. Especially being new to the wedding end of the business.

Philip Howells March 30th, 2010 07:29 PM

Danny, one of the qualities which separates pros from amateurs is that "matching somewhat" isn't acceptable. Matching in television terms isn't a quality that can be qualified; it either matches or it doesn't.

Sure, you may be able to take something away from the "better" image in post to make it match the "lesser" one but that comes back to my point that you might just as well buy two or three cheap cameras - at least they'll match.

Finally, it is a matter of much regret that manufacturers are able to add the term "HD" to single chip cheap cameras and even get pros exercised about their possibilities. It's rather like "power watts" or "music power watts" - terms that were used to boost the apparent rating of audio amplifiers. There only ever was one that mattered, "rms", and so it remains.

Chris Harding March 30th, 2010 08:41 PM

Hi Philip

An excellent point!! My friend Chip sent me a "professional" DVD that he managed to get at a wedding fair and the videographer was obviously using different cameras and the difference was remarkable!! The cutaway shots were a world away from the main shots and where he had shot at different angles even an amateur would have noticed the difference ..it appeared as if two different companies, with different cameras and in totally different lighting conditions had shot footage and he had then "merged" the two. If was horrific and even more so considering that this was the "premium DVD sample" that he was giving out to potential clients!!!

He would have done far better to have used two cheaper cameras! Even if the resolution was a little down at least it would have seemed that it was the same wedding shoot!!!

I buy my cams in pairs and that's the way it will stay...however with a single camera shoot it's still OK to have a backup camera so you have something to fall back on if your main cam dies but I certainly wouldn't try a two cam shoot with vastly different cameras!

Chris

Denny Lajeunesse March 31st, 2010 01:28 PM

By "match some what" I mean like matching and HVX200 or even a HMC40 to an HMC150. I can see the difference. 99% of others will not.

In a well lit situation some of the consumer HD cameras probably will be close enough. But I don't know. I have only used pro cameras. (Even in broadcast you see sonys and pannys interchanged).

Bad use of terms I suppose. :)

I see a lot of DSLR/HMC150 combo's around though.
I don't exactly think those match but that seems to work for many people. So I have to come to the conclusion that either I am excessively picky or people consider the footage similar enough.


What kind of cutting during the ceremony are those of you that shoot single camera doing? I have seen several one cam videos online and never see the whole ceremony shot. It is usually the the entire audio overlaid with multi angle cuts (obviously from the same cam) and b-roll. (Talking ceremony here not a high light video).

I do take your point Phillip. (Though besides RMS, THD and and wattge at a given speaker ohm rating was also important ;) )

Quote:

Originally Posted by Philip Howells (Post 1507787)
Danny, one of the qualities which separates pros from amateurs is that "matching somewhat" isn't acceptable. Matching in television terms isn't a quality that can be qualified; it either matches or it doesn't.

Sure, you may be able to take something away from the "better" image in post to make it match the "lesser" one but that comes back to my point that you might just as well buy two or three cheap cameras - at least they'll match.

Finally, it is a matter of much regret that manufacturers are able to add the term "HD" to single chip cheap cameras and even get pros exercised about their possibilities. It's rather like "power watts" or "music power watts" - terms that were used to boost the apparent rating of audio amplifiers. There only ever was one that mattered, "rms", and so it remains.



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