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about large chip video cameras like the AF100/FS100. They are VERY different than your HMC40s. I was not comparing a small chip video camera to a DSLR. I was comparing a large sensor video camera, (which is made for video not stills) to a DSLR......a totally different comparison whatsoever! |
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Hmmm....I read the topic of this thread as being
'Anyone given up on the DSLR for event?' NOT as being 'Giving up on DSLR's for event work in favor of 'traditional' video cameras.' So to me, if a thread for discussion is taking about giving up on a DSLR for event work, I'd think that discussions of large sensor video cameras, and their advantages over a DSLR would be very appropriate. However, since the OP DID talk about traditional video cameras in his opening statement, maybe that IS what he is looking at. The large sensor video camera ARE kind of a 'compromise' as they are not quite traditional video cameras with servo zooms and such, but they are made for motion pictures, while still giving the shallow depth of field of a DSLR. However, they probably make less sense to a small 1 person producer who wants both a 'traditional video camera' and a 'shallow depth of field' camera,.....because they expensive compared to a DSLR. You can have a DSLR, and a cheap 1/3 traditional camera for almost the same price as one large sensor video camera. Anyways, after posting on several of these threads, it appears that it also kind of 'disturbs the waters' so maybe I should just leave these threads alone. |
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I wasn't responding to your large sensor camcorder posts, as they don't concern me and I'm not interested in large sensor camcorders in the least bit. Please continue to discuss them though, as others have found it helpful, I'm sure. |
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I'm just curious, you use DSLR's but are not interested in large sensor
camcorders in the least? Are you a former still shooter that is used to DSLR's and not camcorders? Are the large sensor camcorders just too freakin expensive? Another reason? I would have guessed that DSLR shooters would be MORE interested in large sensor video cameras than people like me who are primarily from the video world. |
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So far my canon G9 produces better videos than my D7- and its focuses.
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I was wondering if any of the FS100 doubters has actually has seen any footage? I paid $30.00 for a nikon 50 1.8 lens and let me tell you this camera is more sensitive than my own eyes. I have a NX5 camera to for the more run and gun work. So in my opinion I have two video cameras with all the things a video camera should have plus the large sensor look for the creative work. I always crack up when DSL shooter complain about the FS100 not having nd filters, when none of the DSL have them. Gabe and I have the FS100 so we now how beautiful the image of the FS100 is.
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I sure do like the footage.....it used to be that shooting video was just
'work'. I mean I liked shooting and all, but now I actually and go shoot for fun in the very limited free time I have.....random things around town like this: Juneau By Gabe Strong On ExposureRoom |
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So, until they come WAY down in price, correct their myriad issues, and really blow me away with highly noticeable, superior image quality (to the consumer, not just camera geeks) over the GH1/GH2, I am in no way interested in them. I know this is offensive to some, but it makes sense to me and the market I'm in. |
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Corey,
That makes perfect sense to me. I always say, when looking for a camera, figure out your budget first, then look at the cameras in your budget and start comparing them. I got an FS100 and not an F3. Why? Budget. Some people buy an F3, and not a Alexa. Why? Again budget. You always pay quite a bit to get that last 5 or 10%, and in many cases it doesn't make any fiscal sense, if your clients can't tell the difference. I think you probably have one of the best DSLR's there is for shooting video, especially since you can apply a 'hack' and get even higher bitrates. Now I'm curious, where in the world did you find a GH1 for $400? That's an awesome deal! |
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I bought 2 GH1's for around $400 apiece (body only, no lens) toward the beginning of the year on eBay. Panasonic still had them in stock for $500, and the GH2 wasn't out yet. I'm glad I got them when I did! |
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You know I purchased the AF100 back in April and I gave you my thoughts. When I had the Canon XHA1 I was using a T2i and liked the mix. I went all DSLR and was frustrated with how harder it was to run the events with the DSLR only. I then went back to XHA1 and waited it out a bit. Then I saw an opportunity to switch to the AF100 and jumped on it. Since jumping to the AF100 I will never go back to filming with DSLRs only, for my events. I will only use proper Larger Sensor Camcorders. Being a single shooter there is far less to worry about through out the day. I love it. If you can get a really good deal on one jump on it. If you can get a great deal on a FS100 jump on that. Once you go large sensor camcorder it's hard to go back as a single shooter. For posters who feel DSLR's are sufficient, great! Enjoy it. No need to degrade the large sensor camcorders. What have they done to deserve such negativity? |
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One characteristic which seems from postings in this forum to be considered normal by DSLR users is that they typically go out with a "bagful of lenses". Presumably this means that they change lenses often during a shoot. Because I can remember the days when you checked the gate for dirt and hairs after every shot if you could, do none of the DSLR fans recognise this as a drawback when changing lenses in the field?
Back in the days when all professional cameras had interchangeable lenses we only did so to accommodate a special lens (usually rented in) for a particular purpose. For example our "normal" lens was a short superwide zoom, ideal for our regular work. When we did concert recordings and needed one of the two cameras in the front of the balcony to get the super-closeups we rented in a long zoom for the job. Admittedly we also had to check/reset the back focus which DSLRs don't allow for/need but we certainly never considered making the lens change in the field. Has the dust and dirt changed over the years or is this another drawback DSLR fans just have to live with? |
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I have not read all the threads but would like to gibe my experience. I am a newer shooter I have been shooting photographer (weddings) for 5 years. I started filming weddings this year because there was a need for a cinematic style edit in my market.
I would say except for the ceremony the 5dII really fits my needs. Now the ceremony is a whole different issue. It is extremely hard to cover the ceremony for me with DLSRs only. Mainly because of the 12 minute recording time. Partly because I am shooting with primes only. I am going to have to make a decision soon about what I want to do going forward. A. Going have a trade in some primes for 70-200's and pickup a couple t3is for the sides. (The t3i's will restart the recording after the 12 minute mark with firmware hack). B. Not sure yet. I think things are going to change a lot in the next 12 months |
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I shouldn't be using all primes. I am a photographer and have been doing video for businesses for the last year. The primes are not a issue when producing a short business video. I do need to let them go though... I am actually thinking about selling the 5dii + primes and buying 3 t3is with 24-70's. It pains me in a way but I have looked at Joel's stuff (weddingfilms.com) and it looks nice. He uses 3 or 4 t2is . The fact that I can hack the firmware and the t3i will automatically restart after it hits the 4 gig mark makes me happy. + 24-70 using x3 digital zoom gives me all the range I need. |
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dude, I have to jump in here. you are going to lose stops of light selling primes!! the zooms
are not fast enough indoors under low lights. You need at least a 50f1.4 in your bag. Definitely have a 70-200, its flat out awesome for outdoor stuff and churches. the 24-70, I have it, it rarely comes out of my bag. 24, 50 and 85 are my go tos, along with a tamron 11-16 on my 7D. |
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Trust me I see your point. I am borrowing a friends t3i +24-70 next weekend and see how it works for me. I am thinking I can push iso 1250 30-50th 2.8. We will see.. |
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Hi Guys,
If there were a camcorder that produced the same quality as the 7D what would it be and how much would it cost? |
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look to the Sony FS100, F3 and Panny AF100. 4-13K plus lenses and adapters.
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Too tired tonight to read all these responses, but will chime in.
I tried twice to go dslr, I loved the look and had 4 dslr's capable of doing video. Not only was it so much more work and pressure during a wedding, the post production was a killer. We went with 2 canon XF305's and not looking back. If I want a special look, can grab a 1DIV and shoot something but so far, just do not find its that important. Post production is so much easier now days. |
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Hi Denny
I'm with you too!!! I do like the look and the DOF capabilities but on an "anything can happen next" event like a wedding there are plenty of times where I only have seconds to spring into action. I do like the idea of using something like a 5DII where the scenes are staged and you have no time restraints. I was considering using a DSLR during the photoshoot but I do 99% on steadicam so I couldn't see any advantage with investing in complicated follow focus gear!! Seriously during the more hectic moments you just don't have any time to play with focussing and being able to grab the camera that's on auto focus and just shoot is a huge advantage and far less stress!! Chris |
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I am stuck with a big decision to make at the current moment. I am about to invest into another camera, and I can't decide between the 5dii or the canon xf100. I shot a conference this week that was 3 hours long with 2 t2i's & 1 t3i. I am currently editing it right now and it is a monster with all the little 12 minute clips from 3 different camera angles. It took me 5 hours just to line up all the clips!
So now I'm really looking to invest into a camera that can record longer clips like a xa 10 or xf 100 but I really like the clarity and full frame of the 5d. I've seen alot of the really good wedding videographers using the 5d with awesome results. It's definitely a step up from the t3i, but dslr in general are tougher to shoot events with. However I should mention that majority of my business right now is weddings, so I tend to cater my equip more so around that. So I guess I'm asking everybody which one I should get? Also, I post it here because i think that I want to really stop using dslr for events, its stressful not only to shoot with them, but post production is a beast and not fun at all! |
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I had the "luxury" of attending a wedding recently that I was not shooting. Refreshing to say the least. They did hire a videographer and sat there and watched 4 guys running around shooting with DSLR's and was just very thankful I never made that switch. One thing I noticed was how they were all scrambling around during the ceremony for different shots. Not a single camera stayed in place and rolled for the duration. That told me this couple was not going to have their complete ceremony as part of their video. Very sad. I consider that the most important part of any wedding video.
Funny thing was watching how frustrated these guys were getting at missing unexpected moments during the reception. Bride was getting frustrated at them because they kept asking the couple to re-enact what they should have caught in the first place. My wife at one point asked "why aren't they just shooting it when it happens?". My response was "because those cameras are a POS and not meant for this face paced shooting". The bride was my wife's cousin and she came over to talk to us later that evening and said she was getting fed up with them. She said as long as they got the ceremony she'd let it go. When I told her they were all moving around and no way they shot the full ceremony she was pissed to say the least. I think it really ruined her night. I just had to sit back and laugh. By the way, if you're wondering why I wasn't shooting it, it's because I had a corporate shoot earlier in the day and couldn't get there until the start of the ceremony and she wanted full coverage. |
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You can use your stills lenses on these cameras, so that can remain a fixed cost for both the video and DSLR cameras. Downside is that the DSLRs are better that doing stills than the video cameras. |
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[QUOTE=Michael Johnston;1675617]I had the "luxury" of attending a wedding recently that I was not shooting. Refreshing to say the least. They did hire a videographer and sat there and watched 4 guys running around shooting with DSLR's and was just very thankful I never made that switch. One thing I noticed was how they were all scrambling around during the ceremony for different shots. Not a single camera stayed in place and rolled for the duration. That told me this couple was not going to have their complete ceremony as part of their video. Very sad. I consider that the most important part of any wedding video.
Funny thing was watching how frustrated these guys were getting at missing unexpected moments during the reception. Bride was getting frustrated at them because they kept asking the couple to re-enact what they should have caught in the first place. My wife at one point asked "why aren't they just shooting it when it happens?". My response was "because those cameras are a POS and not meant for this face paced shooting". The bride was my wife's cousin and she came over to talk to us later that evening and said she was getting fed up with them. She said as long as they got the ceremony she'd let it go. When I told her they were all moving around and no way they shot the full ceremony she was pissed to say the least. I think it really ruined her night. I just had to sit back and laugh. This post has more to do with the people she hired than the camera's they used. |
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Don't get me wrong guys I love the look of DSLR video, and if I were doing a fun project it would include it.
My worst enemy on wedding day is time, we may get to the reception and have the bride and dj asking if we are ready when we walk in the door, even after we explained we need time to set up. Nothing is as easy as opening a bag pulling out the camera and recording getting great audio on the fly. I had all the toys with dslr, zacuto rigs with follow focus etc. I know there are work arounds for most everything but to me they were just that WORK arounds. I am very busy during wedding season and have never had a customer comment on the use of DSLR or non use. They want good stable video with good audio. This is a personal preference and for some may be what they sell, but for me I need the stress level to be as low as possible on a wedding day. |
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If you have done any research at all you know that it can be done with DSLR only. Is it more work than traditional video? Yes of course it is.
That is the reason I got into this. There is a market out there that wants the film look that a DSLR gives and that MOST video cameras can not. Would I switch to a video camera that provided a DSLR look? Of course, as long as it met my price point. |
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