Purchasing Equipment Imminently: Storage, Audio and Support
 

Hi All,

Fourth thread. I appreciate everyone's help thus far as I try to avoid lemons and make good purchases.

Recent buys:
Panasonic GH4
4 95mb/s SanDisk 64GB cards
5 Manfrotto QR plates

I am currently looking at lavalier mics and pocket recorders (I'll be buying four of each).

I'm interested by the Olympus Pocket recorders (I'd spend roughly £400 on 4) and I'm looking at investing £600 on lavalier mics... I'm always going to pay for the best I can afford... and most pros seem to suggest placing as much of an investment in audio as you do in video... would anyone recommend two viable products that fall into these categories? I've considered the Shure Sm11, the Rode lavs and then some of the more expensive ones... obviously I'd need to compromise if I went with the latter... I also realise that people recommend the Sennheiser G3 system... but I still haven't got my head around this option and also think that I'd need to spend quite a lot of money on additional mics and receivers if I understand it all. I'm also aware that I'm doing weddings for people who never considered video, so I'm reluctant to shove too many bits of equipment on their bodies.

Meanwhile, I'm going to purchase a Synology server to store my films... using a G-RAID Thunderbolt drive for editing - as per Minty Slippers' advice.

That would take my investment to £2000.

I'm buying an extra Sachtler Ace so that I have two tripods for the ceremony and speeches. Investment: £2500.

Then I'm considering purchasing a Zacuto Marauder or a Glidecam HD2000 or 4000? I have a Manfrotto Video Monopod for moving around, but still need to shoot static shots or slight movement - no grand movements that you see in so many wedding films. So I'm really intrigued by the Marauder for its size and convenience with my EM5 (3rd body after GH3 and GH4) - I figure it could be a great buy. Similarly though, I'm interested in the smoothness of a Glidecam... Spending to £3000.

Finally, I'm buying 2 on board camera mics - either the VideoMic Pros or the Panasonic equivalents. I prefer the build and design of the Pannys but the VideoMic Pro sounds better. And then it'll be a case of purchasing the H5 or H6 from Zoom and getting the cables mentioned in the other thread to hook up to the main board.

Do you think all of these are sound investments? The only other thing that I wish I could afford in 2014 is a 12-35mm lens from Panasonic or the 12-40 from Olympus - both f2.8. Would either of these be more preferable over the above options?

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I'm purchasing everything on Friday.

Would anyone be so kind as to tell me what they would advise me to do?

Thanks again. I am humbled by your help and wish that more of you would upload your videos to the video sub-forum! I miss seeing new ones and learning more!

I have two weddings within the next month and I want to improve greatly on these two after my first outing. One is an Asian wedding too, which I'm looking forward to. :)

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Hi Craig

Wow that's a shopping list!

My only comment is why you need a £500 tripod for your second camera, is it going to be a static camera? A set of velbon legs would more than suit a b cam...

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Thanks Daniel - yes, it's true - quite a shopping list. But then to have a pro collection of gear, it seems like it's a necessary evil.

I guess I'm considering a second Sachtler as I want everything to be the same. Having back ups in the event that one broke etc. Also, I may buy the new add ons for the Ace in the future (follow focus for instance) and if that's the case, then I'll be able to use it on either tripod. Also, my Quick Releases from Manfrotto work with the Sachtler too. I guess what I learned from my first outing is that time is everything. Saving minutes here and there will be a massive positive to my workflow during a day's shoot.

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Second this. Were all Velbon with manfrotto heads. £89 legs but my fav over manfrotto anyday.

Here's our full kitbags and why we selected some of our gear. THE MINTYSLIPPERS KIT BAG | Minty Slippers

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Craig, be careful not to fall into the trap - as it were - of purchasing all high-end stuff "just to be sure". Many a newly redundant IT professional amareur photographer looking to move into the stills side and with a wad of redundancy money burning a hole in their pockets has done this, only to find a few months later that all their money is gone and it hasn't worked out. I know you are not in this situation - I think you've said you are a teacher with a safe regular income - but some dangers are still there.

I would place more emphasis on figuring out what you need to get things done to a good standard. Members have already mentioned tripods as a case in point.

Lav mics are another example. Peter Rush recently posted that he is very pleased with the results from these £38 lavs on Amazon:

Pronomic LA-30 EA Lavalier Microphone Universal Black: Amazon.co.uk: Musical Instruments

You're right you don't need Sennheiser G3's for weddings as standalone recorders will do just as well. They do win you some brownie points as clients are often impressed with the actual kit, but with the limited opportunity to do anything about changing an imperfect recording scenario during a wedding the advantages of real-time monitoring are greatly diminished. You don't need any extra kit with the G3's - they just sit between the talent and the recording device you would have used anyway. You do need to ensure that Sennheiser lavs are compatible with whatever recording devices you will use as different manufacturers of mics have different ways of wiring them. You can re-solder connections but it is not easy; you can get anything modified professionally.

Nor do you need high-end audio recorders. Weddings are all about the spoken word not about the live music and this means that audio recorders do not need the range that would be desirable for music recitals.

You also need to think about the logistics of setting up and breaking down all the equipment quickly especially if you cannot get your car close to the location e.g. H6's are massive compared to H4's and H1's. Size and weight of all equipment.

Also consider your exposure to accidental damage, and loss through your own forgetfulness during the heat of the moment, and loss from theft. You won't miss a £15 lightstand but you will miss a £500 tripod; both would have functioned perfectly well as a support for your b-cam. Again, you won't mind if a staff member drops your £30 dictaphone out of the flower arrangement onto the floor when turning around the ceremony room after the ceremony but you will mind if the registrar forgets to give you back your £300 Sennheiser transmitter and shoots off to their next wedding.

BTW you're likely to find the Asian wedding a very different experience to the anglo-saxon wedding you shot earlier. e.g. expect to find a much more active area around the couple during the ceremony - guests moving around everywhere and shooting their own photos and video on ipads etc. You'll have to fight for decent positions. There are also a multitude of must-have shots which you should hammer out with the clients well before the day. And don't expect the speeches to happen at the allocated time, or one after another, plus extra speakers may well pop up anywhere in the room.

This recent Hindu gallery of mine may help you anticipate what to expect. There are detailed notes at the bottom of the page. Most Hindu ceremonies are not as involved as that though.

hindu wedding photographers videographers berkshire photography video christena and shiva ashton lamont photo galleries

Pete

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I'll third this too....

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On this, can anyone recommend a good and small pocket recorder?

We were looking at Olympus units but come to buy and discontinued. Looked at Yamaha, same again, all discontinued and the replacements are huge.

We went with some Zoom H1's in the end just because we ran out of time but there huge. I just want something to slip into the grooms pocket to take a lav mic.

Previous experience with dictaphones is that they have audio drift so a unit which can record WAV would be ideal.

On our blog we talk about the hinty gear having no wireless. Were actually about to buy them a wireless unit so they can start to tune into venue wireless systems.

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Also, look at the Kingston cards. Another solid brand with a lifetime warranty and our 4 year old cards are still going strong.

They are also a third the cost of Sandisk

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I'm not sure if they are released yet, but these caught my eye as a good simple recorder:

New for NAB: Little DARling Distributed Audio Recorder | juicedLink

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Thanks Danny... I've literally raided your education blog and absolutely love it. I found the full 20 minute film really intriguing and also felt that it held my attention throughout - great job!! I am aware of the Velbron legs and appreciate everyone saying the same... but I just feel like grab another Sachtler and if I'm shooting from either tripod, I'm going to get great shots... considering I still live at home... I'm quite happy to splash the cash now in the hope that I'll get a long duration of time with my gear... even if that's unwise... is there any reason to select the Velbron over the Sachtler other than the price? I appreciate that you take them as being better than the Manfrottos too!

Very true Peter... I may shoot the next two weddings... have a shocker and realise that I'm not good enough... I just have a dream and hope that I can achieve it and become as successful as everyone else here... I never do anything half-heartedly either... and I've been researching this career for over a year now... I really think I can do a decent job... I have already loved photography for eight years... so hopefully I don't fall into the bracket of the IT redundancies...

But when listening to YouTube videos and the audio from the higher level mics, the sound is incredible?! I found audio to be something that I lacked with on my previous wedding... just really want to nail audio next time round and I've learned a lot about lav placement and settings, but I just need to figure out which lavs to go with... I've always steered clear of lesser known brands in the hope that reliability and quality will prevail... sense says to buy these though... I agree.

I realise that voices must be simpler to record, but is it also true about the floor level of the mic recorder than you use generating a hissing sound? I just assumed that high-end audio recorders would capture cleaner audio with more detail and depth and make the most out of the lav mic.

This is very true... I have a Billingham Hadley Pro and Digital for my lenses and audio equipment, as well as two tripods, a slider and a monopod... with both bags over my head and onto the opposite shoulder, the two tripod bags on my shoulders and my slider in one hand and my monopod in the other, I can just about carry the gear... but at a push. That's why I think the Zacuto Marauder would be a great buy (Buy - Zacuto Z-DMR Marauder, Foldable Run and Gun DSLR Rig (ZDMR)) but then I'm unsure if you can achieve some wonderful shots with a shoulder rig? Or if I should just buy a Glidecam?

I agree completely about your warnings of loss and theft... my biggest fear too. Especially because I'm shooting alone.

Can you tell me about the must have shots please, Peter? Thanks if you can! It's a Chinese/Vietnamese wedding. In the morning, there will be games for the groom to complete and a tea ceremony. Otherwise, there are 3 dress changes throughout the day and a multitude of other things. Thankfully, she just wants the speeches, ceremony and a 4 minute video too (same as my previous wedding), so I'm pretty happy to deliver that.

Thanks for this Pete, a great set of photos from the day!

Thanks Danny, I was thinking about 4K and I know 95mbs is going to be good enough, even if the card isn't working at its full capacity... but I will definitely consider the Kingston cards from now on if they have a lifetime guarantee! I've just always shot SanDisk with photography too.

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Ultimately, am I right in buying four lavs and pocket recorders? Do I get omnidrectional lavs? Which Olympus Pocket recorders would be best? And finally, should I get a steadicam or the Zacuto Marauder, or neither? I don't have a lens that will be stabilised, so I could also go with the 12-35 with IS instead of a steadicam or Marauder.

Otherwise, I'll go with the Synology drive as per Danny's advice and get two VideoMic Pros. I realise the H6 is massive, but I think it's something I can make my way into eventually... and I'll just leave my two TASCAMs on the tables.

Fortunately, my next two weddings are in lovely places that I don't imagine will result in theft.

Thank you everyone and please continue to help! :)

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Our new kingston cards are these ones

SD/SDHC/SDXC Flash Cards | Kingston

They do 45mbs write which is more than enough for our C100's which only actually need 4mbs at full quality.

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Thanks to everyone again, I've completed my purchases and I know that I've spent more than most would consider, but hopefully the better gear will stand up to the test of time - as long as nobody steals anything from me! :/

Either way, I look forward to showing you my second and third wedding videos next month, before I finally make edits using the 3 wedding days with 3 licensed songs that I can purchase to post on my eventual website. Next summer I hope to do a few weddings for a small fee. Depending upon how successful they are, I may decide to pursue this as my future.

Appreciate everyone's time and wisdom, as I have taken everything into consideration. I am aware that I'm in a fortunate position with a steady income to make more purchases, more comfortably, than having to worry about bills and business.

For those who are interested, I listened to Danny and bought a Synology DS513+ server, along with five 4TB WD Red drives. 1 Rode Videomic Pro, 3 Sanken COS 11D mics with 3.5mm attachment, 3 Sony PCM 10 recorders and another Sachtler Ace. I know people said to buy the £40 mics, a Zoom H1 and a much cheaper tripod, but I figured that I'll have only one period of my life where I can invest in the best gear, and that time is now.

Hopefully I can improve my skills with my videos and continue to pursue in your footsteps. Future buys will include a better editing machine than my current 2011 MacBook Pro and a glidecam / shoulder rig, + lights etc. But for now, I think I have the basics to go ahead and make wedding films that are solid. So with that in mind, I thank you all for being able to reach this point. Hopefully I can make two more successful wedding films and progress from there.

Thanks again to everyone.

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Ditto - In my experience, if it's an Indian wedding is that the speeches will be during the meal at random times - you may well be told when they will occur but them timings almost certainly will be wrong - roll at least one safe camera and all your audio gear for the entire meal to be sure. Also the last one I did they played music over the speeches mixed from the PA and for some reason when played back from my recording of the PA speaker was quite loud and impossible to mix out. Luckily I had placed my H1 recorders near all the speakers (8 in all so no way could I have a lav on each one) but a few random ones popped up as well - Prepare for the unexpected!

You also might want to think about sandbags. I now use sandbags on all my tripods and light stands - a must when there are kids belting around - not only for the safety of the guests and your gear but the safety of your carefully framed shot if it's a B cam - I learned early on that once you set it rolling you won't notice if someone knocks it and then the shot is scuppered - if it's at the very beginning of a ceremony it's a real bummer! I have had guests trip over the legs of my light stands on 2 occasions and the sandbags saved it from falling over!

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Hi Peter,

The wedding that I'm shooting is a Vietnamese wedding. That Indian wedding sounds insane. I'll be wary of those!

Thanks Peter, where did you buy the sandbags? I will consider getting one, as that is a real worry.

I'm really excited to have another two weddings coming up! The first was an amazing experience, and I think I've learned a lot from it... now it's all about making the next two even better!

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But when listening to YouTube videos and the audio from the higher level mics, the sound is incredible?! I found audio to be something that I lacked with on my previous wedding... just really want to nail audio next time round and I've learned a lot about lav placement and settings, but I just need to figure out which lavs to go with... I've always steered clear of lesser known brands in the hope that reliability and quality will prevail... sense says to buy these though... I agree.

Elephant trap alert. The owners of high end expensive mics are more likely to know the ideal recording conditions and act accordingly. This might include specially designed recording booths / placement to avoid soundwave reflections / placement of soundwave absorbing materials such as blankets etc. And the residual recording device sound via preamps has to be very bad to be relevant at weddings because there is almost always desirable ambient room noise that drowns it out. As with photography there are lots of variables which can render well-meaning under-resourced limited-knowledge tests irrelevant.

But you've got your kit now and paying a bit more for peace of mind can of course help your own confidence.

A lot of audio equipment is over-engineered for wedding purposes. And its not helped that when a relative newbie posts a question in audio rooms often straight away it turns into a piss--- match between various audio professionals recommending solutions that are never going to see the light of day at weddings.

I'm not sure what your main teaching subject is, an analogy might be tanks in WW2. The Tiger was fearsome but over-engineered, far too heavy and requiring far too much fuel. The wrong tool. Only around 1800 were produced. Compared to over 50,000 "inferior" Shermans and I forget how many T34's.

with both bags over my head and onto the opposite shoulder, the two tripod bags on my shoulders and my slider in one hand and my monopod in the other, I can just about carry the gear

Don't forget it rains a lot :- )

must have shots ..... It's a Chinese/Vietnamese wedding

Chinese connection weddings are at the easier end of the scale for Asian weddings. You are still likely to have guests crowding you out especially during the tea ceremony. And the tea ceremony tends to take place in smaller rooms or private houses so your space can be severely restricted. Other than that, in general there is a much greater reverence for older relations. For example there would be more emphasis on the grandparents including starting with the grandparents in the photo shoot. And the reception can last an extremely long time with multiple courses. There are some great shots to be had in the kitchens whilst the food is being prepared.

where did you buy the sandbags?

I would recommend boom arm counterweights rather than sandbags as the weight to volume ratio is much higher making them easier to transport. And potentially less messy. Search for counter weights on Calumet. You simply attach them to the lightstand / tripod near the floor. Easier to move the entire rig as well if you need to do that at short notice.

https://www.calphoto.co.uk/product/c...counter|weight

Pete

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These are the sandbags

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I like them as I they are reversible, either black (ceremonies/speeches) or high viz (dark evening receptions)

The only down side is I can no longer carry all my gear at once to the car - the extra weight means two trips

Take into account Peter's comment about rain - shots of bridal cars arriving and leaving etc are a must for me, even if it's a monsoon, so I always carry a small 'Totes' umbrella just in case - I can film with one hand and hold the umbrella over my camera in the other. It's small enough not to blow inside out if it's windy - not ideal but at least I get the shots :)

Pete

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Elephant trap alert made me laugh! :-) Thanks Pete... incredibly helpful as always... I think it'll help my confidence, and hopefully because it's a bit more expensive, I'll find that the equipment lasts longer too... I'm still amazed by how much gear accumulates to... of course, you could do it with a T2i and a tripod and a monopod with a few H1s and a few lavs... but I guess I'm doing what I always do and pursuing some Holy Grail and wanting to know everything about everything within two minutes, which of course, is impossible. Really appreciate everyone here for not treating me like a tool though and being supportive and helpful continually throughout the past six months or so!

Interesting facts with the tanks - great analogy! I teach 10 and 11 year olds (Y6) at the minute, but my degree is in Computer Science.

Hahaha yeah... maybe I'll just get wet... what are the common ways to transport equipment? The quick releases from Manfrotto are a Godsend. I am currently using 2 Billingham bags, 2 Sachtler Ace bags and I have a sling for my slider... that just leaves the monopod in my hands now... so I'll have a free hand for my umbrella, but also a bad back... I'm considering a ThinkTank or some other storage solution... are there any bag threads on here that you can remember??? Or do you have any tips? Fortunately, my GH3 & GH4 fit inside my bigger Billingham bag, whilst my OMD and other lenses fit into my smaller one. The only things I can't carry easily are my audio products, like the two TASCAM recorders and soon to be three M10s and lavs.

Food tip is genius! Thanks for this tip!!! And for the general overview... I'm going to try to find some Chinese weddings via the 'Best Wedding Videography' channel on Vimeo. I thought the bride was Vietnamese, but apparently not now... I'm sure they'd be similar either way if you're including them together!

Thanks Pete... would I need one for each of the three legs, or would I just attach them to the central spreader on my tripod?

Thanks Pete - great tips!!! I'll bare this in mind... really hoping for two great days at these weddings, as I only have the one waterproof lens and body and it isn't a pro lens either... hoping to get the 12-35 and 35-100 next year if I get an increase in weddings... will see what happens.

I'm off to buy a Totes umbrella! :-)

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You would use just one weight per tripod / lightstand except in extreme circumstances. It makes for a very low centre of gravity and is therefore far more effective than its weight alone might suggest. Some people use barbell weights looped on with straps but i think that can look naff. You should add a lightstand if you haven't already as these can go far higher than tripods - important for b-cams when standing guests would otherwise block your composition.

Vietnam connection weddings can be all sorts. Some are from what were very well to do and once powerful families in south Vietnam pre-war who are now very well to do and westernised in the UK and USA. E.g. I've shot for a senior guy at Goldmann Sachs. Others may have relations who have just flown over for the wedding and are fascinatingly non-western. I have felt a palpable hatred in my direction from elderly grandparents but thats only to be expected as I'm the generation that impacted on their lives so terribly. So Vietnam is a bit of a one-off, but there is a lot in common with Chinese.

Never mix up Chinese and Japanese. There can be very real antipathy.

Pete

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Thanks Pete! I'll consider a light stand - any recommendations? Do you just set your aperture to like f10 if you're shooting with the camera so high? I made the mistake of shooting reasonably shallow when I hoisted my monopod to its max and missed focus a bit. How do those weights attach themselves? I'll buy two - one for each - thanks for the recommendation!

Really interesting, thanks for the info... I'm excited about shooting the Chinese wedding, which has somewhat of a Vietnamese connection to it... but they originate from Hong Kong and moved here a decade or two ago from what I can understand. I thought it was a Vietnamese wedding as the person who got me the gig is Vietnamese and she's a bridesmaid at the wedding... never make assumptions - another lesson learned.

Thanks again Pete... I still have loads of questions, but they're linked more to a ceremony. I might make another thread in a day or two that encompasses my possible difficulties with the following two weddings. Really excited to get my second and third underway though.

Appreciate all your help Pete!

Craig

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Same here - I've been using Olympus WM311 recorders for 5 years but now only use them on the groom and lecturn and the occasional speaker who wishes to pace the room while making his speech! I want to retire them however as they are auto recording level only and not having to correct for the drift will shave a few minutes off editing time - Zoom H1 recorders are great but way to bulky

Any recommendations?

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Lightstands are low price low tech stuff. You don't really need to spend more than a few quid.

Manfrotto do sets of three which clip together for easy storage and transport. You might use them for LED lights as well as b-cams.

I use several Cheetah stands. They are expensive to import from the USA. Their advantage is that the legs close automatically when you lift them so its very easy to reposition them in confined spaces using one hand. But the metal on metal does make a clatter so that may be a disadvantage in quiet ceremonies. I have three heavy duty ones that are also air cushioned, which means that they retract slowly when breaking down - good if you have heavy gear atop. I'm not sure if Cheetah do that still. You do need at meaty stand that can fight guests off. Make sure it has a standard 1/4"x20 screw at the top to take standard heads cams etc, or a larger 3/8 screw to which you can attach a 3/8 to 1/4 adapter.

Lightstands win over tripods in that they are far less intrusive in your compositions from other cams, they go high as mentioned, and they are far easier to step around in confined spaces which you might be sharing with a photographer.

Small lightstands also have their place as they are again even less intrusive so you can put them in alternative places such as on wide window ledges, on tops of fonts, and on tables.

These Calumet Backlite stands work well in small restricted spaces:

Calumet Backlight Stand

The three feet don't have to be equidistant apart so you can sit it on much narrower ledges than normal lightstands - which have rather a large footprint. The upright pole it comes with is OK at around 33" but if you need more height many cheap monopods will slot into the spreader instead.

You attach those weights using the lever which closes its jaws over any tube such as a tripod leg.

Pete

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I just picked up three of the Sony M10s... I can't say I know a lot about recorders, having only the TASCAM DR07 MKIIs, but I can say that they have amazing reviews online, great battery life (all day + more) and sound like the Holy Grail for a lot of audiophiles... but I'm sure that you could speak to more knowledgeable people around these parts than me (understatement).

Amazing! Thanks Pete... really appreciate the help!!! I may add these before my next two weddings, or they may go to next year's shopping list.

Absolutely shattered, but hoping to make a thread about my next steps tomorrow... received a lot of gear today, but I'm sending the SANKEN's back, as they're black and not grey as I ordered. So I'm going to buy from a different company and get them in white. Tempted to get two of them now, and just add a TRAM TR50 in the mix, as a lot of people say that they're better for through clothing recording.