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Bill Edmunds December 4th, 2006 11:07 AM

Having trouble getting paid -- what should I do?
 
I shot a wedding in October and was paid on the wedding day (as dictated in my contract). The check bounced. The mother of the bride is the one who paid me. The bride apologized and said it was a family emergency (funds weren't deposited in time as a result). I called and emailed several times and received no response. Fianlly I got ahold of the bride. She apologized and said her mother would contact me. The MOB sent me the following email:
"Please accept our apology. We had an unexpected family emergency following the wedding and funds were taken from our accounts before we even knew it.
We fully intend to pay you for your work. Unfortunately, It looks like January is the earliest that will happen. Below is our correct contact information. I am sorry and embarrassed for the inconvenience to you. Thank you so much."

I emailed her back and said I would work with her but added that I needed some sort of formalized payment plan agreement. She never responded. What should I do? Send a certified letter containing a payment plan that she would sign? Keep trying to contact her?

Mark Bournes December 4th, 2006 11:26 AM

Contact an attorney. You need to get paid for the work you did. Their "emergency " is not your problem. In the future, be wary of checks and taking payment on the day of the event. Checks bounce and people disappear.
Have them pay at least 50% when they sign the contract. This way you have time for that check to clear before you work the event, and you get at least something for working that day. Then you only have to worry about collecting the other half instead of the whole amount. My advice is to re-work your contract and get at least 50% up front when the contract is signed. No offense to the MOB but I bet she's still paying her electric bill, and so on...so at the very least she should pay you monthly til her debt with you is paid off. I'm not a lawyer but she did bounce a check and I know there are penalties for such things.

Bill Edmunds December 4th, 2006 11:29 AM

Should I add an interest penalty for being 3 months late? Nothing like that is in my contract, but still...

Greg Boston December 4th, 2006 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill Edmunds
Should I add an interest penalty for being 3 months late? Nothing like that is in my contract, but still...

If it wasn't in your contract, no you should not. That's what contracts are for. You can't change it after the fact.

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Steven Davis December 4th, 2006 11:43 AM

Rework your contract to either be paid a week or so ahead of time, or in a bank check on the day of. If it were me, I would let them know that you will not work on thier wedding anymore unless you are paid in full. That's your choice though. But emergencies what they are do not pay your bills. So learn the lesson, work with her and hopefully it'll work out. But you're already invested in the event, I wouldn't do another mouse stroke till I was paid in full. And make sure you document every contact with her and the outcome of the conversation.

Michael W. Niece December 4th, 2006 11:59 AM

On a similar note, I have a completed wedding package and can't get the mother or bride to agree to a time to meet and collect their videos... and me collect the remaining balance! The work is done; I just can't seem to get them to take the package! I plan on reworking my contract to state something like "late fees apply after so much time of being completed."

On a note about sending Certified Mail... it might not be a good idea. Why? Because the mail can be refused and sent back (if they were pricks about it) ... which means they never read anything you sent them. A kid, a neighbor, or anyone that doesn't feel like signing for a package at their address can do that. However, Delivery Confirmation might be more effective because the mail man simply drops off the mail and that's the end of it, and you get a notice saying it's been done. The client may still never read what you send them, but you matter-of-factly delivered it to them. Just my two cents.

-Michael

Chris Forbes December 4th, 2006 12:24 PM

It might work well in both of these situations to set-up a payment plan with work delivered after the last payment. Maybe they are unable to come-up with the entire amount. Most people spend their whole lives enslaved to Mr. Visa and Mr. Mastercard.

Tom McDougal December 4th, 2006 01:40 PM

so your suppose to be paid in full before you begin editing?

most contracts i know of, client pays on delevery of product.
and would of already collected about 2/3'rd's of balance by time the wedding comes. (like you said, you got paid the part to shoot the wedding) Once edit is complete, on delevery, the reminder of the balance is paid.

if this sounds honest with you, i would wait till Jan to resolve. call the mob to make the arrangments instead of her waiting to call you. Insteading of emailing, contact by phone... I know being a business person, you can't have feelings about collecting money but if this becomes and a bad situation where you have to file lawsuits, etc.., it could potinitally cost you more in the long run with fee's, time then bad word of mouth press from the bride and family where as if you do work this out, you can get great press from that family cause they went though hardships and you helped them out big time...

Attempt to work it out...

jmo...

Bill Edmunds December 4th, 2006 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom McDougal
so you're supposed to be paid in full before you begin editing?

Absolutely.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom McDougal
most contracts i know of, client pays on delevery of product.

I used to do that. I hated it -- I'd finish the video and then it would takes weeks or months for the client to pick up the finished product.

Don Bloom December 4th, 2006 04:33 PM

For a number of years my WEDDING agreement states quite clearly that I recieve 50% at the time of signing and the balance is paid no later than 30 days prior to the event. I've only had 1 person question that and after talking a bit they paid.
This is quite common for vendors in the wedding industry at least in the greater Chicagoland area.
Don

Michael Cassidy December 4th, 2006 05:22 PM

Last week I had a phone call from a Bride, whose wedding I did in May 2004! Yes, that far back! I'd written it off!
She finally had the money to pay me! After family crisis after family crisis. Since that experience, I get paid up front, 2 weeks before the day.
I'm just lucky that the marriage lasted, some are near to blows before they cut the cake.
It was a pleasant surprise, but it taught me a lesson. I'll have the tape edited for them by Christmas, just to make sure the cheque isn't made of rubber!
It may work out for, hope it does.

Mike.

Tom Tomkowiak December 4th, 2006 05:34 PM

Bill,

If it looks as tho legal action will be required, I'd suggest going the Small Claims Court route. You didn't indicate the amount owed, but, depending on your local jurisdiction, Small Claims will handle disputes at least up to $2,500, and some more than that.

Again, depending on your area, from the time you file until the case is heard might be about a month or so -- which puts you in the Jan. timeframe your client said she'd pay up.

Anyway, I took a dude to SMC a few years back for breach of contract, and it worked for me.

Rick Steele December 4th, 2006 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Don Bloom
For a number of years my WEDDING agreement states quite clearly that I recieve 50% at the time of signing and the balance is paid no later than 30 days prior to the event. I've only had 1 person question that and after talking a bit they paid.
This is quite common for vendors in the wedding industry at least in the greater Chicagoland area.
Don

Yes but most wedding vendors have fulfilled their contracts/services no later than the day of the wedding. We inturn make them wait up to 6 months for their product.

Not saying 100% payment up front is wrong... just putting it in perspective from a client's view. Some videographers get half as a retainer and the other half on delivery. Some work payments in "thirds".

Whatever works...

Arneil deVera December 4th, 2006 05:51 PM

I'd wait until you get the final payment before continuing with the production, but in the meantime I'd rework your contract for future clients to get paid in full 1 week before the wedding.

Peter Jefferson December 4th, 2006 11:00 PM

dont edit til u been paid, tell them that work wont begin until u are paid, also, send an updated invoice and include the bounced funds bank fee, u shouldnt pay for that.

as an aside, i always ask for payment 14 to 21days in advance, this way if a cheque bounces, i tell them before the wedding.. and if i am still nto paid, i wont hit recrod until i am paid.

Peter Jefferson December 4th, 2006 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Rick Steele
Yes but most wedding vendors have fulfilled their contracts/services no later than the day of the wedding. We inturn make them wait up to 6 months for their product.

Not saying 100% payment up front is wrong... just putting it in perspective from a client's view. Some videographers get half as a retainer and the other half on delivery. Some work payments in "thirds".

Whatever works...

Very true rick, but the thng is, most of our outlays are in advance anyway, and when i used to use a 50/50 system, many times did i wait for clients to work out their funds before being able to deliver their work. it ended up being working for half the money, while i edited and had nothing to show for it.
Doing it in advance, with a detailed invoice allws them to work you into teh budget before the wedding day and stopping the "oh we'll pay THAT later" mentality..
Ive had clients almost broke by the time they get thier videos, and 2 of them had actually broken up within 4 months of the wedding... so that was dead money too...

Mark Holland December 5th, 2006 12:41 PM

Getting paid up front...
 
[QUOTE=Tom McDougal]so your suppose to be paid in full before you begin editing?

In this area, most wedding videographers I know require full payment by, or on, the day of the ceremony. Personally, I require a 50%, non-refundable retainer in order to put the client on my calendar. That way I know I'll be paid something for that day's work. If the retainer check bounces, I'm not booked with them until it's made good. As for the invoice balance, I offer the option of payments of any amount, submitted at any time, up to the day of the ceremony. However, the invoice must be paid in full no later than the day of. If that check bounces, they don't get their DVDs until it's made good...in cash!

It might sound harsh, but once I explain it to my clients, (and give them some horror stories) they have no problem with the policy. They're very understanding.

Andy Wason December 5th, 2006 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom McDougal
so your suppose to be paid in full before you begin editing?

most contracts i know of, client pays on delevery of product. ...

Used to be that way for me, until I had one delinquent (who eventually paid anyway), but for the past four years now, I get my final payment at the rehearsal.
We're no different from the banquet hall,church, DJ, Baker and Florist.
Even when I shoot photography, I expect payment in full ahead of the wedding.
Andy

Rick Steele December 5th, 2006 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Andy Wason
We're no different from the banquet hall,church, DJ, Baker and Florist.

Not so. These contracted services are executed and "completed" the day of the wedding.

FWIW... I also collect everything in full prior to shooting.

Eugene Bare December 6th, 2006 11:25 AM

Learn from it.
 
Try to make the best of a difficult situation, but learn from this experience. I have not been stiffed for a wedding but in the past it has happened for other things. My contract states that a non-refundable 25% payment be made to reserve the date & the rest is due 2 weeks before the wedding. If they question this I offer past references to reassure them of my integrity. Get the money while the getting is good.

Adam Grunseth December 6th, 2006 02:14 PM

I had a very similar circumstance once.... their check didn't bounce, they just didn't pay. They also ignored my phone calls, didn't respond to messages, and ignored the letters I mailed them. Finally I sent a letter via certified mail (so they had to sign for it) with a copy of their signed contract and threatened legal action unless they paid.

They told me the same thing, they had a family emergency and couldn't come up with the money. I worked out a payment plan with them, where they paid half now, and half a week later.

Also, I would tend not to believe their excuse that they had some sort of family emergency. If this were true, why did they write you a check in the first place knowing it would bounce.... or why did they not contact you to let you know they had some sort of emergency and were having financial difficulties? I think if they were intending to pay you they would have made some efford to contact you and work something out, not ignore you and wait for you to get back to them.

Michael W. Niece December 7th, 2006 06:13 AM

Adam,
True as that may be, people don't always think about obligations. It took 2 years and a $900 brake job on one of our vehicles for my wife to realize that brakes DON'T last forever, and the grinding sound coming from your wheels is a bad thing... and it won't go away on its own. People simply don't think sometimes.

-Michael

Andy Wason December 7th, 2006 08:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick Steele
Not so. These contracted services are executed and "completed" the day of the wedding.

FWIW... I also collect everything in full prior to shooting.

Regardless, they are paid in full before the service is delivered.
Andy


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