Possible answer to 9D mxf issues.....
 

OK. Have just spent 1/2 hour on the phone to Liz @ Sony in the States!
It is possible(ie probable and Sony didn't think this one through) that Vegas 9D doesn't read/accept .mxf files that have been re-wrapped by XDCAM EX Browser. However, if you use the explorer tab in Vegas you can open the original source .mp4 quite easily and plop onto the timeline. Now, no problem if you have copied the mp4s from the camera/card to your disk drive without altering them. If, however like me you used XDCAM EX Browser and only have .mxf files of your work, there seems to be no easy/quick way to convert the files back to their original mp4 state. So, I've possibly been doing my workflow wrong (though it seems logical) or Sony have made a mahoosive cock up as this means you can't use previously archive/saved .mxf files in any newer version of Vegas then 9C. Anyhoo, I've sent Sony a small .mxf file that works in C not D and they'll look into it and let me know. Stay tuned.....
Oliver.

VEGAS 9D titler problems
 

The pro type titler presets has no gradient fill color in. Its ok on a new title with no text effect but presets have problems. Black wrighting when swiped over do not show through the swipe bar but stays black and you cannot see any black wrighting, this is again ,only on titler presetts. When titler is in time line it seems to give low memory errors. Vegas 9d also crashes during rendering. I have 12 gb of ddr3 ram and a 4ghz processor so i have not got low memory. 9c was unstable but 9d is worse. I will now stick with 9b the only vegas version i find stable . I have emailed Sony tech support but i have been waiting 2 days for a responce.

I was wrong, again.
 

Edit & Correction: I'm happy to report that 9.0d handles AVCHD (720 & 1080) mts files direct from my Panasonic GH1 flawlessly and quickly! It never occured to me when I upgraded to 9.0d that it would actually be able to mix stills and GH1 videos without first converting as I've been forced to do with the previous versions and when I used converted files as worked in 9.0c it was awful But when I tried direct editing of the AVCHD files from the camera, even mixed with stills, cross-faded, stretched, etc. 9.0d works great.
So, thank you Sony!

I am glad some people seem pleased!!!

I just down loaded 1 hour of straight Mt2 files and must say the 32 bit 9 d could not do the job for me that 8.0 and 9,0.

I shut down three times, reopened and tried to get after it.

I restored my computer and will wait a while and stay with 8.0c which I feel has been the soundest to date. Spent months with 9.0b and it was pretty good, but on longer projects (1.5 to 2 hour hd) it started the red frame issue for me!!!!

I also have huge amount of cineform files and that seems to be a problem as well!!!!

I know all software will have glitches, it comes with the turf. (Which is why i always have two different editors available)

however, it seems bizaar to release somethig that has so many issues, even if there are a lot of fixes involved.


I wonder if Edward is running this with no issues?



Dale Guthormsen

I've been at NAB all week and haven't yet had a chance to install 9.0d yet. I do plan to do so on my 64-bit machine but there's many file formats I don't typically use.

9D bugs sony responce
 

Sony have wrote to me and admitted the BUG on the PRO TYPE TITLER. The presets do not let you use gradient fill and black text is black even when swiped over. With a title created by the titler in the timeline rendering is a problem.Get all the low memory errors even using seconds of footage. Everything works fine on 9b.
How Sony can let this mess of an upgrade go out is beyond me. What are the beta testers doing?
The Pro Type Titler is one thing we use a lot and even that is not tested properly

The Beta testers are posting their experiences to forums - just like this one.

9d bugs
 

Hi Richard , but why release software even when the basics do not work correctly.

Maybe 'cos BETA testers have pointed it out to SONY? Maybe that's it?

Sure. Maybe the problems aren't a fix that is going to be quick as you and I would wish? BETA testers must have great patience and forbearance?

Bringing to the attention of SONY what they are finding. I would think that BETA testers aren't, necessarily, programmers? And as such wouldn't be privy to the Q&A work-flow and controls. It wouldn't be wise to have that as an option?

Ah, and now that is an excellent question, which maybe you should address directly at SONY. I should think that any BETA tester, of any s/w, would need to sign a Non Disclosure Agreement (NDA). In which case that BETA tester would NOT be able to comment on any BETA development.

Grazie

Hi Graham i have asked that question to Sony, I dont expect a reply.

Keep asking. Then call . . then fly over and knock on their door! - You're gonna have to wait for Iceland to calm down though.

- g

I uninstalled D from my 64-bit Vegas and installed version C. Now veg file open as fast as they always have.

What is really interesting is that even version C projects opened, modified and save under version D, that opened slow in version D, now not only open, but open fast in version C.

Maybe Sony felt pushed to announce something at NAB to at least somewhat respond to Adobe's CS5. If that's the case, they may have released it prematurely.

Back to Vegas8 !!
 

Dale, I have the same problem with big project, Vegas9 cannot handle large files it is only good for small project, I had a 20 minute project that I tried on Vegas9d and it worked fine using m2t files, I even loved the improvement of the window preview, but when I used large project it could not handle it at all, it froze up by clicking on anything on the timeline,

Michael, Out of curiosity, what is you hard disc configuration? By any chance are you using an external hard disc? I'm just wondering if Vegas is losing association with the hard disc that has your project files. Also, does your hard disc have a sleep mode? I'm reaching trying to find an explanation. It's clear that you're having a problem with 9.0d but what isn't clear is what sort of system configuration variable is the cause of the problem.

Jim, I have three internal hard drives (all Maxtor ATA Devices) the project that I'm working on sit on one drive by itself and the drive is not set up to go to sleep at all, I have no problem with Vegas8 running the same project.

I have a Quad 9650 3.00GHz 32-bit system on Vista with 3gb Ram.

Michael, I will really be interested to hear what Sony does to fix this. I'm running Vista 64-bit on a Quad 9450 with 8GB of ram. No matter what I try, I can't create a problem. I'm also wondering if there is some sort of conflict with other installed software or maybe even hardware. You have clearly defined the problem that you are seeing so it's obvious that you aren't having a problem with an overactive imagination. I hope Sony explains for all to hear what the problem turns out to be.

Jim, when you say you are trying to create the same problem are you using big project ? 3--to--18hours of m2t files.
For me the main problem is the big project, Vegas8 can handle it but Vegas9 can't, and you think it should be the other way around you should go forward not backward :).
I am going to try calling Sony on Monday to see if they have any solution.

After reading other having issue with 9.0C .Veg file open slow and other says 9.0d open the same speed or faster. Today I decided to try it any way. Its works fine for me, no problem what so ever. I've opened 4 projects .veg file from 9.0c and it seems to open very fast on my i7 920 PC. All good for me.

Michael, The longest project that I tried is about 2 hours and 36 minutes. It has three tracks each with three .m2t files on each track. It also has two tracks with AVC H.264 files in .mov wrappers. There are also two additional .wav audio tracks from two recorders. The tracks were synchronized with PluralEyes. Some of the clips have Magic Bullet Looks applied. Most all of the clips have other filters applied including New Blue effects.

I will put together a test project tomorrow that exceeds three hours to see what I observe. On your project that is over three hours, is everything on one track? Did you put it together in 8.0 and open it on 9.0d? I would like to match my test as closely as possible to your project setup.

I will post my observations after I try it.

Jim, the project that I am working on is over 18 hours, I start editing the project on Vegas8, it has two main tracks that I work with and two other tracks that I just keep clips that I might use, I do not apply any filters until the end, so it's just straight m2t files and MP3 voice over files and some music.

I installed 9D and when I went to use it, the preview window was showing frames from a previous project.
Then when cutting a football game, it self deleted everything off the timeline. Time and time again.
Is Just packed up and went home.

In the end, I uninstalled it and reloaded 9C. Which for me worked fine.

A question to Sony;
Why the heck did you release this when it was NOT ready?

Ben

Sticking with Vegas Pro 9C for now...
 

So far, I haven't heard any compelling reasons to risk an upgrade.
There are not a whole bunch of success stories out there about installing 9D.
Until Sony responds to the issues I'm doing okay because 9C works fine for me.

my 2c,
Ive only edited 2 short clips since the upgrade, both multicam HD cineform.
I had no probs whatsoever, all was sweet.
However, I should mention, my install coincided with me getting some new hard drives and I re installed 7 as well.
So I guess ATM I'm living in a dream where I have-
A clean Windows install
A clean Vegas Install
and fresh new fast hard drives.
However........If it starts being naughty, it'll be gone faster than a beer at the footy.
good luck people.

Michael, I created two different project is Ver 8; one was a multi-track project. The other had one track. They were both about three and half hours long. I opened them uneventfully in 9.0d with no unusual behavior.

It's only a guess and I may be wrong, but I suspect there is some sort of file handling bug in 9.0d that shows up only in some as yet undefined configurations.

Jim, thank you for your effort to solve this issue, I try to call Sony today but they have a heavy volume calls so I could not talk to anybody, I did send them an e-mail through Sony support about this problem.
I am going uninstall 90d and install 90C to see if it can handle large files, I have never used 90C, I went from Vegas8 to 90d.

I really think Sony needs to expand it beta testing program. This could help ensure a more bug free release.

Make that drastically expand the beta program.
I have yet to run any version of 9.0 on a regular basis because of the new bugs that keep showing up.
With this release, it seems that for every bug they fix, they introduce 2 new ones :-(
I was really hoping that this release would be the cure.

I totally agree. Software manufacturers are caught between the desire to keep their next release secret and the need to sufficiently beta test. The desire for secrecy usually wins. Adobe has the same problem.

I have been editing in 8c-32 and rendering in 9c-64 without any problems for months. However, I'd consider upgrading to 9d if it could handle large stills as well as 9b handles them. As it is, I sometimes must re-install 9b just so that I can create an .AVI that 8c and 9c can handle - neither can do that as well as 9b (I don't use 9b otherwise because of the red-frame issue).

Has anyone compared 9d and 9b regarding ability to pan/zoom with high-pixel-count stills?

I think the beta testers are getting an unfair rap here. There are a lot of variables that people are assuming about the beta process - not all of which are true. I guarantee you many issues were found during the beta process.

Another bug
 

When rendering a .mov witth the soft contrast , warm vignette plug in, the render fails. Low memory error or vegas stops working, Also have latest quick time so nothing to do with that. Renders fine without the plug in. Yet another problem i have found, sent to Sony

Mark, what is your ram preview set to? I would try reducing that value and trying again.

Edward, I'm personally not giving anyone a bad rap.
I just wish that Sony would expand the number of beta testers in an effort to find a lot of these bugs before the release date.
I've always felt that it's better to have a large group than a small one as not everyone is using the same hardware nor the same source material.

ram preview default.i have a new pc with 12gb of ddr3 ram. 4ghz processor 64 bit so no memory problem.i am rendering a 10 sec clip from a .mov file to hdv.should be no problem.but low memory error or crash occur with soft contrast plug in in .mov file.

Mark, which version of Vegas? If you're using a 32-bit version of Vegas, it doesn't matter how much ram you may or may not have. It sees less than 2Gig anyway. Lowering the RAM preview amount *CAN* help - give it a shot. Drop it to something like 12. You can reset it back afterwards.

Mike, I don't know exactly how many there are but I do know that lot's of bugs are caught in the beta process. I also wonder when these vocal issues are introduced, what percentage actually have this issue? Is it 2% but a very vocal 2% with 98% happily using the update? Or is it 10%, or 50%, or 90%? I've read these posts but also read many other posts that indicate they love the update and it's FASTER for them!

using 64 bit 9d.works fine on 9b. its not ram preview its sonys plug in.

I'm wondering if we can somehow find the common factor here? There seems to be many people having problems with 9d and almost as many having no problems at all and a few noting improvements.

I remember once upgrading my o/s from Windows 98 to Windows ME using the up-grade i.e. run ME installation over 98, I had all kind of problems, but wiping the drive and doing a clean install of ME proved a great success - maybe this is a problem for some poeple that installing over the exist installation is problematic. I note that a few happy 9d-ers mentioned that they did a clean install.

As I am mid-project right now I am not going to upgrade to 9d yet, and when I do I will go for a clean install

Philip, You may have something with your thought. There is another thread about a procedure to reset to the default settings with some claiming that fixed their problems. It's possible that 9.0d is picking up inappropriate setting from the previously installed version. If so, a clean installation might avoid these problems.

I wonder if beta testers are required to make clean installs with each upgrade. I've been a beta tester for my animation software for years now and there was a period when we all had to make clean installs every time we got a new version to test. If that would be the case here, I'm not surprised that beta testers missed some of these bugs and also would explain why they have been continuously working throughout these upgrades with few of the problems regular users complain about.