Plural Eyes - no brainer
 

When I first heard about Plural Eyes months ago on this forum, I had read that it took someone overnight to process their project with it. Based on that single comment, I forgot about it, thinking I might as well continue synching up my footage as I had always done, and save time.

Since I now have many 4 camera shoots to work on, in desperation I downloaded the trial.

Now, I am just like everyone else that has tried the software. It is amazing, it is fast, and I absolutely could not live without it.

I'm using it now on a four hour 4 camera shoot, and it is working at almost blinding speed, and will likely have performed it's task in less than 5 or ten minutes.

If you do multi-camera editing shoots, Plural Eyes is a no brainer.

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Maybe it works well with Vegas. I cannot say the same for Premiere Pro CS5.5.

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With Vegas there was no learning curve, nothing, it was click and go, so yes it works perfectly in Vegas. Sorry to hear that it doesn't work so well with Premier.

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Oh no Jeff with all the talk that's been going on here and you've only tried it out now? Sad sad ;) I've been using it for as long it was released and I never ever do manual sync's anymore and the latest version is incredibly fast, amazing software worthy of an award, heck if I don't have Plural Eyes available to sync my video I refuse to edit, spoiled haha. I've tried it on Premiere and it really sucks! Not as easy as the one button operation we have in Vegas, you have to export as XML, do this, do that, a complete mess.

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Sad is right, I'm still kicking myself. The wedding I did a couple of weeks ago I spend nearly a whole day syncing, I had hours of footage and a shooter that constantly turned off his camera and then back on, and I had to sync up 14 hours worth of footage. It was a nightmare. That was what prompted me to try out PE.

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I use Sony Vegas Pro and as I have posted before PluralEyes is the best money I have ever spent! Amazing software. The other must have inexpensive software for Vegas Pro are both from FBmn Software. Their white balance and exposure software are amazing and only about $45 each.

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I actually use the stand alone version called Dual Eyes. With my DSLR footage I convert everything to Cineform for ease of dditing. Then put the captured sound and Cineform files in a directory, and then tell Dual Eyes to synch it. I come back later and I have either individual sound files trimmed exactly to the length of each clip and named to match the clips, or ( if I have selected it) entirely new Cineform files mated with the captured sound.

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Wow, that is amazing. Seriously. Very cool.

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Am I correct in thinking that Plural Eyes is purely for synching? Does it have multicam editing functions too?

TIA

Grazie

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Plural Eyes syncs the audio from video clips for multicam editing. It's purpose is to sync up video clips for purposes of multicamera editing. You lay the footage out in Vegas, and you place footage from, say Camera One on one timeline, then camera two on another timeline, etc, and then you start plural eyes and it syncs it up.

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So "yes" to synching, but "no" to multicam editing?

Grazie

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Yes, it is a synching program, not an editing program. For great multicam editing I use Ultimate S, it's fantastic.

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So, after Plural Eyes syncing you go on to use UltimateS Pro for multicam editing? Yes? I'm assuming there isn't syncing in UliS?

Grazie

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Correct, Plural Eyes is all there is for synching unless someone knows something else, I've not heard of it.

Vasst also sells a standalone multicamera plug in for Vegas which would give you the multicam feature without having to buy the whole Ultimate S program. Visit VASST website for the free trial version.

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same experience here, tried the pe trial and it completely messed up, maybe I did something wrong but it wasn't quite intuitive to use.

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Plural Eyes is strictly a syncing tool.

For editing of multi-cam products, there are certainly many ways to do this. Originally you had to manually split tracks and delete or move sections in order to finish the final product (methods which are described in Vol 1 #9 of my newsletters).

Multi-cam editing was first automated shortly after the release of Vegas 4 in 2003 with the release of Excalibur. Excalibur is still what I prefer to use for multi-cam editing and and older version is also described in the article mentioned above.

Since 2003, Ultimate S was also released with a 2 camera multicam followed by another product also by VASST that can handle more than 2 cameras. Then a few years back, multi-cam was added directly to Vegas as a built-in feature - however, many people still prefer the scripting versions.

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The trial version is non-invasive and completely functional and free to use for 30 days, so if you need a syncing program there is no reason to not try it. For Vegas NO PROBLEMS AT ALL. From what I see here Premier Pro can't utilize it as well.

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In Vegas, Plural Eyes can run inside Vegas as a plugin (custom command) and modify the timeline directly to match up the clips. In Premiere, my understanding is that you have to export the project, run Plural Eyes on that export, and then import that back into Premiere so the workflow is not as smooth.

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When i first read the Thread started from my friend Jeff i had a little curiosity about triyng this software. Now i can tell he is right but i wouldlike to know what are your workflow suggestions.
I have 5 interviews with bad audio but i was luckly enough to have recorded good audio with an external device. Now i put em in timeline and what would be the best bet? Throw all the 5 interviews on the timeline and try to synch all of them or should i try to synch one by one then copy the parts thaat i need and paste them on another project?

Many thanks

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Marcus throw all your footage/audio on the time-lime each video with the same audio on a different track then select them all and let PluralEyes do it's thing.

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Hola,
i feel really bad but i can't make it work.
Track A: i have 5 cutted piec of an interview with the cam
Track B: i have the audio recorded with an external source

I selected all the little clips then i went to Pluraleyes; it analyzes and render. When it finish to process it puts all the clips at the beginning or at the end of the track without finding the synch. What am i missing?

Many thanks

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I tried using external recorder audio and it does not work for me with plural eyes. I mostly sync up 4 camera shoots, but those work perfectly, but not the audio recorded from a voice recorder. It might be because it it she wrong speed, and might need to be adusted, I don't know.

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Jeff if the audio recorder slows down over time it's going to be a problem try splitting the audio into sections and try syncing again.

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Ok, Nicholas, thanks. I will also find out how to adjust audio. there is a rate at which to slow it down, a percentage, and they talked about it in the audio forum, need to pursue that.

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I've downloaded the trial but am somewhat disappointed

i've tried to sync different clips with the separate audio clips I recorded with my zoom h4n and it doesnt sync at all!!

the only time it works is when I put a clip with video and audio (already synced) and a separate track with only the audio recorded externally: then it works fine.

am I missing something? isn't pluraleyes supposed to sync audio with video as well? or does it require that every single event has already its own audio track to work?

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Federico, that's how it's supposed to work - It syncs audio to audio!

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Yeah, it can't sync audio to video without an audio track.

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thanks
for some reason I though it was meant to also help when shooting video only and then audio separately.

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No, it needs the audio from the video to sync with. Otherwise, it has nothing to match up.

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I bought the DualEyes product which is a stand alone version and I shoot video with the Rode SVM attached to the 5D Mk2 for the audio cue track and then sync the MOV (audio and video) with my H4n wav file from the same recording session.
What I love is dropping 10 MOVs and one WAV file and it automatically matches and attaches the H4n audio to the MOV and writes as a seperate file so nothing is ever destroyed in the process. Slick!