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One other item, a person on the Sony Vegas forum reminded me that other aspects of the Main Concept MPEG-2 plugin have been broken and not fixed going back before V11, notably the attempt to render a high bit rate file over 35 mbps can also return the unexpected error argument. I have seen that one as well. He stated and I agree with him, Main Concept has work to do on the encoder problem and Sony has work to do get the parsed error reported as to what it is, rather than just calling it unknown.

He also noted that Sony has obviously had to re-license the plugins from Main Concept since they now have added support for OpenCL GPU rendering etc. If we don't hear from Ed on this one, then I would infer that it's not a bug as much as it is an unannounced drop in support for the particular aspect of the plug-in. I would hate to see Vegas go down the path of Adobe by trying to force us to conform to a finite collection of limited rendering templates, with no customizations possible. The program is called Vegas "Pro" and we should expect to be able to customize pro features.

You can have the greatest editor in the world, but if you have to render your edited footage into sub standard output, it would seem that's what we have taking place, unfortunately.

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No problem, I tried it every way I could think, just wouldn't work.

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Tom, from a professional point of view, at least for producing Bluray, it seems the ability to render 1080 60p would be disposable. Don't get me wrong, it would be a great option to have, for sure. But as a professional, what use do I have for it? Not much, if I can't deliver it as shot. If it's supported on the web, that would definitely be a practical use for it. But I don't know if it is.

There may be some advantages to shooting in 60p for down-conversion purposes, don't know, but at least in my case, I'm happy to have learned about the Bluray standard now than to continue pining for a 1080 60p camera, which I thought of as the holy grail.

You obviously have a need for being able to render to 1080 60p, and it stinks that you can't, for sure. But thanks to you I have one less thing to worry about regarding cam purchases.

On the other hand, 60p has got to become more widely accepted standard, as it is amazing to view. So I guess we'll see how things play out.

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Hi

30p in 60i does not introduce any quality degradation or interlace artefacts, and will still be progressive footage, it is called PsF. 30p is supported by all HD displays and to keep things simple it is carried as PsF (30p in 60i) or frame doubled to 60p as appropriate for device outputting. Blu-ray doesn't support 30p because it doesn't need to as 30p is carried over 60i perfectly without any issues and PsF has been used in broadcasting for decades to carry progressive footage over an interlaced system.

I think the official specification for MPEG2 at it's 'High' level tops out at 1920x1080 at 60i, which explains why the MainConcept encoder doesn't support it. HD at 60p I don't think it was ever specified to be supported by MPEG2, I dare say some MPEG2 encoders do it anyway, but officially this is something MPEG2 doesn't support.

So how to get 1080/60p on Blu-ray? Officially you can't, the best supported official way is to create an AVCHD 2.0 disc, which should play back on any Blu-ray player supporting AVCHD 2.0, currently newer Sony players support this. AVCHD 2.0 specifies a maximum bit-rate of 28Mbits/sec, but I dare say most players will accept a higher bit-rate than that, upto around 40Mbits/sec, but I've not tested it. To get this stream you can just render using a Blu-ray template on H264 (Sony AVC probably the better option in Vegas) but switch it to 60p and a maximum bit-rate to 28Mbits/sec.

Regards

Phil

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MPEG-2 h.262 Main Profile High Level (MP@HL) supports up to 1920x1152, up to 60 frames per second, up to 80 mbps.

It had the support in Build 371 and lost the support in Build 425.

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Ok so i guess ill have to reformat, because now when i click render as vegas crashes every single time with the new update :(

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Ouch. Sorry about your luck, that sucks. I had just ordered and received a new hard drive for my OS within a day of the Vegas 11 release, I was lucky in a way, I had a clean install anyway to work from.

Keep in mind, in case you have issues, Tom. I speak as someone who used to routinely reinstall windows every month or two just to keep it running like new (I was ridiculously obsessive, and I understand that now).

Sometimes even a fresh install of Windows won't run right and has to be done a second time. My current installation is running a little weird, and I'm thinking I have to redo the whole thing, but I'm trying to avoid it.

Like sometimes when I power up, things freeze for a few minutes. The most surefire way to get a good install is to do a complete format of the entire drive, not just the quickie format that Windows installation does. That leaves behind all kinds of stuff. Technically a quick format should do the trick, but it doesn't always. This time I didn't do the complete format, I was lazy and in a hurry, and I'm already sorry.

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OK Jeff.
I'll give it a try, I will go a head and re-install windows.

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Dror, if you know how, try your best to do a long format on your drive, not the quick one. Your installation will be more assured to really be a good one.

After you have all of your drivers installed, defragment your hard drive. Then Install Vegas first, before any other major programs. Good luck!

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Jeff,
I, like so many others, am still having issues with Cineform files in Vegas 11, have all/most of the problems gone now with your clean install?
I'm still getting crashes when scrolling to open the timeline, other crashes as well, but that is the main one.
Really dont want to do a clean install :{