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Renton Maclachlan April 12th, 2012 01:51 PM

New computer
 
I'm in the process of acquiring a super computer - at least something up near the top of the range - as a result of the helpful - though costly :-) = discussion on the thread 'Video cards and vegas'.

Clearly I will be running it as a 64 bit machine and running Vegas 64 bit. Is there anything special that needs to be done to enable Vegas to fully utilise the power of this beast?

ALSO...hmmmm...just discovered that Cinescore does not run in 64 bit. Anyone have any work arounds on this? I've sunk a bit of gold in Cinescore...

Jeff Harper April 12th, 2012 04:01 PM

Re: New computer
 
The higher clock speed the better for Vegas. Below at the first link you can purchase a PC with overclocked CPU at 4.4gHz with liquid cooling. It should chew through pretty much anything pretty well. If that isn't enough, look at the dual or quad Xeon systems at Puget below for the specs on some real monsters.

GamePC - Smallest Liquid Cooled i7 Computer w/ 3-Way SLI

Here's another place to look:

Desktop Computers: Custom Built Home Desktop Computer Systems

You can take the specs and build your own if needed. When you're talking super computer you're talking liquid cooled, for sure.

Personally, I've alway wanted a dual CPU system.

Leslie Wand April 12th, 2012 07:54 PM

Re: New computer
 
'Cinescore does not run in 64 bit'

when i went 64 some time ago, i think i had cinescore running quite happily under win7 (rtm).

got rid of it very soon after as i found getting music written via versus or freelancers much 'cheaper' and more original sounding....

Jeff Harper April 12th, 2012 09:05 PM

Re: New computer
 
Renton, if you mean there isn't a 64 bit version of Cinescore, that doesn't matter, as Leslie says. It will still run.

Renton Maclachlan April 13th, 2012 12:21 AM

Re: New computer
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Harper (Post 1726745)
The higher clock speed the better for Vegas. Below at the first link you can purchase a PC with overclocked CPU at 4.4gHz with liquid cooling. It should chew through pretty much anything pretty well. If that isn't enough, look at the dual or quad Xeon systems at Puget below for the specs on some real monsters.

GamePC - Smallest Liquid Cooled i7 Computer w/ 3-Way SLI

Here's another place to look:

Desktop Computers: Custom Built Home Desktop Computer Systems

You can take the specs and build your own if needed. When you're talking super computer you're talking liquid cooled, for sure.

Personally, I've alway wanted a dual CPU system.

Thanks guys. Actually...all the bits are on the way...should be here tomorrow...super computer 'for me' I should have added...not dual CPU nor water cooled... :-( ...costs enough as it is!!!

Re Cinescore: Can .veg files go back and forth between Vegas 32 bit and 64 bit? Read somewhere that as Cinescore works as a plugin in 32 bit (but not in 64 bit) that a .veg file generated in 64 bit can be dropped into Vegas 32 bit, have the music inserted, then opened in 64 bit again. Otherwise the music would have to be created in Cinescore working as a stand alone program, and then put into Vegas.

Leslie Wand April 13th, 2012 01:35 AM

Re: New computer
 
my workflow was always cut / video fx in 64, lock off pic, then audio mix in 32. when happy create .wav, lay back in 64 and render.

Renton Maclachlan April 13th, 2012 02:09 AM

Re: New computer
 
Thanks Leslie...however I am not up with the meaning of some of your terms..thus I don't have grip on your work flow.... :-(

What does 'cut / video fx in 64' and, 'lay back in 64', mean?

Pardon my ignorance on this matter.

Leslie Wand April 13th, 2012 03:53 AM

Re: New computer
 
no problem:

in 64bit:
cut = 'edit' usually basic program with no fx, titles, etc.,
get client approval
video fx= add xf, titles, bling, greenscreen, whatever to final picture 'edit' stage
get client approval
on 32bit:
do full audio mix till client happy
render .wav file
back to 64bit:
use .wav file instead of original audio from the 'picture' edit
humbly accept cheque......

of course, at very stage there's a .veg back-up, so popping back in and re-editing is a doddle - as long as the client's paying ;-)

Harm Millaard April 13th, 2012 04:19 AM

Re: New computer
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Harper (Post 1726745)
The higher clock speed the better for Vegas. Below at the first link you can purchase a PC with overclocked CPU at 4.4gHz with liquid cooling. It should chew through pretty much anything pretty well. If that isn't enough, look at the dual or quad Xeon systems at Puget below for the specs on some real monsters.

GamePC - Smallest Liquid Cooled i7 Computer w/ 3-Way SLI

Here's another place to look:

Desktop Computers: Custom Built Home Desktop Computer Systems

You can take the specs and build your own if needed. When you're talking super computer you're talking liquid cooled, for sure.

Personally, I've alway wanted a dual CPU system.

Jeff, I looked at your second link, Puget and I must say the only thing that impressed me was their prices. They are really impressively high, but the available configurations do not impress me at all. Especially the Genesis I is a severe disappointment, not only because of the price, but because of the missing GTX 680 as an option, or the GTX 580 3 GB, the use of very questionable RAM on a 3930K system. It should be 1.35V memory without Micron chips, and Kingston just will not do, especially if you want to overclock. The very, very limited number of hard disks, the lack of a dedicated raid controller, the very limited cooling options, and some other but minor stuff. Just thought to let you know that IMO this firm does not look attractive.

Renton Maclachlan April 13th, 2012 04:30 AM

Re: New computer
 
Thanks Leslie...I knew most of the terms but not the way you put them together...

But just to clarify...you take your 64 bit - shall we call it 'composition'...the whole shooting box (not a technical term) - video, audio with the video, any photo, titles, etc etc, save it, then open it...(the veg file?)... in Vegas 32 bit?

Then...you open Cinescore as a plugin in Vegas 32 bit, compose your music to fit all the rest of the other stuff... and save/render...what as a wav? Just the Cinescore track...which is then brought into the 64 bit on it's own audio track? Or the total audio from the whole shooting box? Or either or...depending on what else needs to be done...

Collect the loot...after approval...

Chris Harding April 13th, 2012 05:04 AM

Re: New computer
 
Hi Renton

I think what Leslie means is do all your video editing on X64 and then you will be able to figure what length music tracks you need......open up X32 and create just an audio track with Cinescore and then render it out to a wav file. Close X32 and open X64 and add the audio already trimmed to size.

That's the workflow I use with Smartsound!! Edit my video then figure, OK, I need 1:32 of music ...I then generate a 1:32 music track in SS and export it to the clients folder and use Vegas to import my custom length track. All you are really doing is using Vegas 32 and Cinescore as an audio/music creator.

Chris

Leslie Wand April 13th, 2012 05:35 AM

Re: New computer
 
spot on chris ;-)

Renton Maclachlan April 13th, 2012 02:21 PM

Re: New computer
 
Got it. Thanks so much. Appreciated.

...the computer parts have all just arrived... :-) Must go and open the boxes

Jeff Harper April 13th, 2012 04:56 PM

Re: New computer
 
Thanks Harm, good point about Puget. I knew Renton was going to build his own, so it was more of a suggestion for gathering specs, but I agree I didn't care for some of their options either. I didn't study their CPU offerings, so I don't know how current they even were in that dept. The second company certainly offered some interesting configurations.

Jim Andrada April 15th, 2012 11:51 AM

Re: New computer
 
Have you looked at Boxx?

I use one for CG and it's pretty capable/ Liquid cooled, overclockd i7 6 drives, etc

Renton Maclachlan April 15th, 2012 02:04 PM

Re: New computer
 
For what it's worth, this is what I got:

Case: COOLER MASTER HAF X RC-942-KKN1
CPU: Intel Core i7 2700K Sandy Bridge 3.5GHz (3.9GHz Turbo)
MB: Asus P8Z68 DELUXE/GEN3 Motherboard, Socket 1155, Intel Z68
GPU: EVGA 012-P3-1578-KR GeForce GTX 570 HD 1280MB
PSU: Cooler Master Silent Pro Gold, 1200W ATX
Memory: Kingston 1600 16GB

Am looking at a 6Gb/s HDD to go with all my other ones...

HDD: Seagate Barracuda ST2000DM001 2TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal

Renton Maclachlan May 1st, 2012 05:41 PM

Re: New computer
 
Just about to get going with my new computer...loading programs...

Just to clarify the relationship between Vegas Pro 11 32 bit and 64 bit...I'm loading both.

Also...I'm not sure of all the questions to ask on this so if any are aware of questions I should have asked, don't be constrained by mine...

I take it .veg files produced in 32bit will open ok in 64bit. Can files saved in 64bit be open again in 32bit? Can a project produced in 64bit be saved in 32bit?

I ask this because Cinescore - which I have a lot of - is only 32bit. I'm aware I need to go back to 32bit vegas to produce my music...then take the music back into 64bit. But it seems to me that when producing music one needs to be able to see how it interacts/goes with the video rather than just produce a piece of music of x length determined by a slot in the project, and then bung it in that slot. It would be nice to take even a cut down copy of the project back to 32bit for music production.

Also what happens to any compositing done...going either way...assuming you can go either way?

Not sure of all the questions to ask on this so if any are aware of questions I should have asked

Leslie Wand May 1st, 2012 07:08 PM

Re: New computer
 
not sure of your workflow but: (when i was using cinescore);

i would finish picture edit in 64, import into 32, do my audio mix, send back various wave files to 64, then render....

Renton Maclachlan May 1st, 2012 08:32 PM

Re: New computer
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Leslie Wand (Post 1730881)
not sure of your workflow but: (when i was using cinescore);

i would finish picture edit in 64, import into 32, do my audio mix, send back various wave files to 64, then render....

I'm not sure about my work flow either at this moment...:-)

So...does this mean that a project - finished or not - can go back - as it is - from 64 to 32?

When you say 'import', is that a general discriptive term or a specific 'import' command...in 32?

Leslie Wand May 2nd, 2012 02:23 AM

Re: New computer
 
i would 'lock off' picture edit. ie. client confirmation that they're happy with visuals (or i am on my own projects ;-)

i would then render out video (with mix), and wave files for sync and any other tracks i might need to 'play' with.

in 32 i'd do a comprehensive sound mix, and then render a single wav file which i'd ten drop back into 64. so, in 64 i have picture edit, unmixed sound, etc.,

i'd simply mute audio tracks in 64 and lay the mixed audio wave in.

of course, i'de keep all the relevant veggies and files until the cheque had cleared ;-)

Renton Maclachlan May 2nd, 2012 04:47 AM

Re: New computer
 
Thanks Leslie. I get how to do it now. It'll be interesting to see how it all pans out...

With the new computer set up now, I'm ready to go...hope it performs as anticipated...


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