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http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph7492/59698.png
whole link: http://www.anandtech.com/show/7457/t...290x-review/18

I have for nearly two years believed that Nvidia's CUDA was the real deal when it comes to gpu acceleration in Vegas Pro... But this picture/test score, wrong me...

Is AMD's OpenCL computing better withing Vegas Pro then Nvidia's CUDA?


AMD OpenCL vs NVIDIA CUDA - Graphics Cards - Linus Tech Tips

-"In the latest version of Sony Vegas, OpenCL is significantly faster than CUDA, in the latest version of the Adobe creative suite, OpenCL is also significantly faster than CUDA."

-"+1, Logan from Tek Syndicate switched out his Nvidia card with an AMD card when OpenCL support came to Adobe CC, he says it's miles faster."

I was up to buy the new GTX 780Ti tomorrow, but after this, I do need some more reading. Had no idea AMD cards was better then Nvidia cards with applications like Vegas Pro and Adobe CC...

All the time, I read peoples anger after having bought a Geforce 6XX, 7XX and Titan card, and waits years for better compatible with Vegas Pro. Maybe there never will be any better?
And I almost never hear anything about AMD cards for gpu acceleration, how come if opencl is so much faster?


/Happy editing =/

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Hi Kim,
Yep, I saw that article too.
Still researching, but looks like a R9 290 is on my Christmas list.
My GTX580 is abysmal in Vegas, makes playback and rendering slower when enabled.
Would like to see some more bemch marks.

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Very interesting article, and great timing because I certainly am in the market to replace my 580. I am fairly convinced that in my case the 580 is often to blame for frequent crashes while editing and rendering. I put together quite complex projects much of the time and these are not stable when operating across multiple monitors using GPU acceleration but are, for the most part, solid when I work on a single monitor (which I just can't do any more!).

What I am keen to know about this new AMD card is how stable it is with Vegas, and whether all third party plugins will play nicely with it (remember the 'NVidia only' situation with Looks a few years back?). Equally as important is how well it works with After Effects and Cinema4D.

When I say 'stable', I'm not talking about stable when working on a simple two or three track job with some CC and titles - I mean stable when working on a complex project with, say, 20+ tracks, maybe some nesting, some 3d alpha tracks, multiple video, audio and image formats, tons of keyframing and heavy duty plugins like Looks and Titler Pro etc etc.

Faster rendering (and previewing, which is more important to me) is one thing, but that performance increase is worthless if it isn't accompanied by a quantum improvement in stability.

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Hi guys.
Another source: techPowerUp! - The latest in hardware and gaming

Yes I do also care more about faster preview playback and stability. Faster rendering is for me only a big plus.
Anyway, the gtx 780Ti is now forgotten because my primary use wont be games.
R9 290 or R9 290X is really interesting. Im going to buy one and se how it goes. Sad about amd's new cooler. Very noisy according to all the reviews. I might wait until they release a third party cooler. Might take a couple of weeks....

Wonder who spread the word "its all about the cudas" when buying a gpu for vegas pro or adobe..

/Kim

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Guess what? The "OpenGL vs. CUDA" comparison for Adobe Creative Suite CC is not as meaningful as it seems because the FireGL GPUs' hardware specs are superior to those of the competing Quadro GPUs to begin with. For example, the FirePro W5000 has twice as many unified shader cores as the comparably priced Quadro K2000 (768 versus 384), and also has 60 percent greater memory bandwidth (102.4 GB/s versus 64 GB/s) than the K2000. So naturally, the GPU with the superior hardware specs would definitely win in this comparison regardless of whether the GPU uses OpenCL or CUDA.

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You are proberly right.. But im refering more at "After a successful collaboration with AMD (Adobe)"..

They have become more like a partner... Like Nvidia was in the beginning

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Wouldn't know, I have an AMD with OpenCL and Vegas keeps crashing with GPU acceleration activated.

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A crash because of a certain graphiccard? That could be 1 reason of 500 possible other reasons why Vegas crash..

By the way which amd card do you use?

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This enhanced OpenCL support is due for inclusion in the next major release of Creative Cloud. The OpenCL support in the current version of Adobe Premiere CC is simply slapped in rather than integrated properly (or more correctly, the OpenCL engine in the current version of Premiere CC is missing a lot of the acceleration features that the CUDA engine has). As a result, AMD GPUs that cost $500 are slower in OpenCL mode than Nvidia GPUs that cost $250 in CUDA mode in the currently available version of Premiere CC.

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If you say so. I have never used a AMD GPU card in my whole life.

But whats your thoughts about AMD and Vegas Pro?

AnandTech Portal | The AMD Radeon R9 290X Review

Anandtech did test, high end "gaming" graphic cards (Nvidia/Amd). When redering to XDCAM EX, the fastest cards was: AMD Radeon HD 7970 and R9 290X. They rendered the project almost half the time compared to the Nvidia Titan..

Maybe Amd isnt so great at using the GPU for accelerate preview playback, I dont know.
Think I have to test it before I speak. But it looks like there only is the R9 290X with referens cooler for now. Can take months before third party cooler comes out with the new R9 290X.


2 days ago everything was so easy. I was going to buy nvidia 780Ti.... now its so complicated =/

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Like Nicholas, Vegas crashes for me with GPU on also. I turn off GPU and and everything is fine.

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What graphiccard do you use Jeff?

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460 SE. It's the same issue many people have had with GPU acceleration with some cards. I have had installs where it worked "OK". Rendering with it's fine, but during editing it's no good.

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But 460 Se (gtx), isnt that a nvidia card??

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Yes you are correct, it is an Nvidia card.

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Couldnt that be because when Vegas started with gpu acceleration, it was with the 5XX series GTX? You should try some newer graphiccard. My GTX 670 is accelerating certain fx which is supported and also some plugins which are supported. But for rendering, it is to no help at all..
Havent had a crash since 4 month ago. And when that happend, it was a plugin causing it.

Anyway, I look forward to a graphiccard which is 100% compatible and have better performance then the old ones...
Like the new 780Ti or R9 290X..

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Kim, did you ever get a chance to try out that 290?

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Im sorry Ian Stark, I didnt have the guts to try it out.

I did buy the Gigabyte GTX 780 Ti 3GB VRAM, and hoping Vegas will do a big reconstruction in Vegas Pro 13....
Also in "Sony Creative Software forums", I saw someone didnt have such great experience with the R290X...

If Nvidia is sucha powerfull graphic card for Photoshop CC, AE CC, Premiere Pro CC and so on, why couldnt Sony give their suite the same benefits...

I think Sony will reinvent their next suite.

Common, the fastest GPU for VP for now is GTX570 !!!!! =/ Thats a two year old graphiccard...

/happy editing!

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My AMD XFX HD 6970 2 gb work really well on my system. I have no problem with V11 or V12 and GPU Acceleration and timeline performance is excellent. 3930K @ 5.0Ghz 64gb ddr3 quad 1866mhz..


http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/...7006&Replies=2

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Hi Kim,

Any report on the 780 Ti? ;-)

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I havent had so much time editing lately..

But I will in the coming weeks...

Of course I will share with my experience. But from the few hours I have used Vegas pro 12 this far, I havent had a single crash. Neither have I seen any performance boost compare to my older nvidia gtx670. But I keep in touch.

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Apparently according to benchmarks the AMD R9 290x is kicking the nVidia Titan's butt for half the price.

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. . . but it runs extremely hot and very noisy so I have read. It certainly does seem to be a far better card (for the money) than the Titan but I think I am more interested in the 780Ti if it's quieter and cooler. My objective now is stability. Period.

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Kicking nvidia Titan in what?..

In games?

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Kim yes all these cards including all the Geforce cards is designed for gaming so yes benchmarks reflect games but here in two with more than games...

AnandTech Portal | The AMD Radeon R9 290X Review
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...s,3663-13.html

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Very interesting reviews, Nicholas, thanks for posting.

Still nothing to show performance and stability (or lack of!) while editing complex multi-format projects though ;-)

I've had an astonishingly good year so I might just try them both out!

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Competition is good for innovation, glad to see AMD giving nVidia a lesson in affordability. I need to upgrade my gfx card in the near future so I'm looking at my options. Buy a Titan @ +/- $999 or a R9 290x with comparable performance @ $560 or two R9 290x in CrossFire @ the same price as a Titan? Choices.

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I already link the first url in my previous post...

The second link only show the 780ti in syntetic benchmark for compute performance (I doubt any of us will by if for crack some passwords or care for unusable graphs) and how it performs in bitmining and have none real world application truth.

There is a guy in sony vegas forum bought the r9 290x, but didnt sems to be all that despite the graphs from anandtech..
Faster render? Well maybe for some container/format but what about accelerating live time editing performance?

I will test out my 780 ti soon and I will also test it for VP13 in near future.. great to see some realtime performane benchmark for r9 290x for VP12

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Keep us posted Kim, would like to hear about your experience with the 780 Ti. Sometimes I wonder if GPU Acceleration actually makes a notable difference in renders or if it's more a CPU orientated process. Considering the price of a decent graphics card I probably should have considered getting the Intel i7 4960X with 64Gb of Ram instead.

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That would be true...

A six core cpu with 12 threads is a 100% bet of performance boost to your editing software, in both rendering speed and faster project preview framerates.. and a higher cpu clock is equal to more horsepower!

But for application from adobe, gpu acceleration is a lot more effective. If adobe can, Sony can..

So hoping much from VP13...

And from my view of point, 4930k for half the price over the 4960x, would be a better buy. Just clock your cpu for yourself.

Of course I will return with more numbers and information about my experience with my Gigabyte 780 ti.

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I always have vegas crash if I have GPU rendering enabled on my Nvidia rig. My wifes machine which is identical except for the AMD card is rock solid in vegas.

I turn off GPU acceleration and I can use vegas just fine... just a little bit slower.

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What are the two cards Danny?