Re: QuickTime is not required by Sony Vegas Pro 13
 

Obviously it is a "requirement" if you are shooting and producing Quicktime files. It is not required for anything else. Quicktime would be required for any editor if you are editing Quicktime files - this is not special to Vegas.

And, according to Adobe, the executable decoding Quicktime video files contains the vulnerability. So all Quicktime program files have to go.

Re: Is it true that Vegas is DEAD?
 

Couldn't agree more. Vegas is an intuitive, powerful, pro editor. Works for me!

Mark

Re: Is it true that Vegas is DEAD?
 

I'm leery of removing things I don't think I need. I've found later down the road when you least expect it a client sends you something and then you spend all this time trouble shooting why it's not working. Software often doesn't tell you the why.

Re: Is it true that Vegas is DEAD?
 

You obviously have not used Sony Vegas Pro with a 4K monitor. And this for an editor that has prided itself as designed for 4K. It does not scale properly, and so you get exactly what you hate in other interfaces - tiny icons and more importantly, tiny clip thumbnails. I don't want a cosmetic change in UI either, just update it so it scales correctly.

Re: Is it true that Vegas is DEAD?
 

Importing AVI into FCP can be a bit of a performance... It's Just Chinatown... Sorry Apple

Re: Is it true that Vegas is DEAD?
 

Thanks, Steven. Appreciate the comments. Yes, I designed Excalibur to work in a way that made sense to me and certainly sought the opinion of several other editors in the process.

Re: Is it true that Vegas is DEAD?
 

unfortunately, judging from the reports already in from nab, yes... vegas passed away peacefully in its sleep after a year long battle with public perceptions..

Re: Is it true that Vegas is DEAD?
 

What did you hear?

Re: Is it true that Vegas is DEAD?
 

Yes Mr. Wand? Please cough up the info.

Chris Young
CYV Productions
Sydney

Re: Is it true that Vegas is DEAD?
 

just presuming, as it's all we've got to go on ;-(

that said, have read there was no one from scs at nab to answer any questions, which doesn't bode well.

http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/...ssageid=943213

i'll be more than happy if it's a case of premature burial.

Re: Is it true that Vegas is DEAD?
 

Ahhh... well that would explain why I've not seen any reports of a "beat down" at the Sony booth.

I'll be using SVP for years, regardless of any further updates. I've played around with some of the other offerings on the PC side and only stay as long as I have to. I occasionally go into Premiere to round-trip some footage for codec-swapping. Used to use Premiere for image stabilization, but at some point SVP got better enough at it so no longer need to round-trip for that. Anybody who thinks Catalyst is an editor, will be really impressed with Windows MovieMaker.

Mark

Re: Is it true that Vegas is DEAD?
 

"Anybody who thinks Catalyst is an editor, will be really impressed with Windows MovieMaker. "

Excellent!

G

Re: Is it true that Vegas is DEAD?
 

Yes it does seem to be MIA presumed dead.

Not trying to rub salt, but I moved to Final Cut about six months ago now and must say I haven't looked back.
I loved learning and using Vegas for all these years but the stress of the last couple took a toll.
The crashing, the nervous control S twitch, the random black frames, the woeful playback performance etc

Dont bash me for saying this, but now its just easy and stress free. Final Cut is solid.

I jump back into Vegas every few days on my second machine to do little things if the Mac isnt on, but its getting fewer and far between.

Everyone will have to decide where they go next eventually, will be interesting to see where the majority of Vegas editors end up.

All the best people :)

Re: Is it true that Vegas is DEAD?
 

I to have begun my transition to FCPX; DVD production keeps me in Vegas for now, that and I need to buy that 5k mac to do my video work. I just built my pc last year, so it'll give me three years or so. I also find FCPX easier to work with, stays more up to date and has more available third party resources.

Re: QuickTime is not required by Sony Vegas Pro 13
 

I did a core components only install as suggested in this thread on Reddit and AE still works: https://www.reddit.com/r/AfterEffect...ecurity_issue/

Vegas though doesn't with Quicktime files.

Re: Is it true that Vegas is DEAD?
 

This Quicktime issue isn't unique to Vegas, AVID, Premiere and Lightworks users have been discussing it.

Re: Is it true that Vegas is DEAD?
 

The issue is using Quicktime player to play mov from the internet. . Just use VLC etc and remove file associations with Quicktime player.

Ron Evans

Re: Is it true that Vegas is DEAD?
 

I highly doubt Vegas is dead.

Re: Is it true that Vegas is DEAD?
 

It would be great for SCS to reinforce your "doubts".

Re: Is it true that Vegas is DEAD?
 

For the QuickTime issue AVID has posted this for their users:

QuickTime Support and Security on Windows

Re: Is it true that Vegas is DEAD?
 

SCS also published infos regarding the Quicktime thingy:

https://www.custcenter.com/app/answe...7/kw/quicktime

Re: Is it true that Vegas is DEAD?
 

Vegas is dead and Catalyst is its replacement. This was made clear to me earlier this month and I wasn't even trying to find out about it, just mentioned to me in some conversations.

Re: Is it true that Vegas is DEAD?
 

Well its going to have get a lot better than it is now to compete in the current market for NLE's.

Ron Ev ans

Re: Is it true that Vegas is DEAD?
 

Doesn't work for Vegas 10. Not sure how later versions will handle that.

Re: Is it true that Vegas is DEAD?
 

I think you are relatively safe if you do not let Quicktime player run. Remove all file associations in Windows and remove Quicktime player from running in any of your browsers. That way it should not run for anything. Use other players to play mov files etc. VLC or Windows Media . Which is what I had done some time ago on all my PC's. The library files used by NLE's should not be a problem as far as I understand. I am sure that in the next series of updates all the NLE's will now remove the need for Quicktime.

For most people who do not use NLE's etc then removing Quicktime is a sensible choice and use another player for mov files etc.

Ron Evans

Re: Is it true that Vegas is DEAD?
 

i simply renamed quicktimeplayer.exe. everything works - well, apart from the player ;-)

Re: Is it true that Vegas is DEAD?
 

Petition Keep VEGAS Alive!
Petition Keep VEGAS Alive!

Re: Is it true that Vegas is DEAD?
 

Online petitions aren't worth the paper they're written on.

Re: Is it true that Vegas is DEAD?
 

Ho ho!

Dave

Re: Is it true that Vegas is DEAD?
 

On another thread there seems to be a reply to a poster from someone at Sony Creative Software support which states that Vegas 14 is being worked on, but there has been unexpected delays.

Re: Is it true that Vegas is DEAD?
 

See, I heard the same thing from Alister and this is where I got this from.

This is why I spread around that it was indeed dead.

But now I'm hearing conflicting reports...

Re: Is it true that Vegas is DEAD?
 

i really can't understand scs's reluctance to come out with the truth. either way the disruption their silence is causing is going to be a major factor in the stream of loyal customers looking elsewhere.

Re: Is it true that Vegas is DEAD?
 

As you well know I posted some of the publicity shots for the New Vegas 14 release which got released to the dealers. Dealers also received pricing information for Vegas 14. From what I understand dealers were told to hold off just days before the release which I was informed was supposed to be April 5th from memory. In other words I still believe Vegas 14 will happen.

Re the unexpected delays. I am hearing similar stories and that the sudden holdup might have something to do with the QuickTime issue and having to go back into coding to enable support of .MOV files without having to rely on Apple's 32-bit QuickTime support. If that's the case I am more than happy to wait. Time will tell I guess!

Chris Young
CYV Productions
Sydney

Re: Is it true that Vegas is DEAD?
 

Native 64bit ProRes I/O and DNxHD (container independent) I/O would maybe skyrocket them past any other Windows NLE at this point.

It's asking a lot for ProRes but not too much for DNxHD and DNxHR.

Re: Is it true that Vegas is DEAD?
 

Oh I can Leslie: Division or corporate lethargy, coupled with diminishing individual career opportunities is the only reason I can see or think for the prolonged silence.

There's a telephone ringing somewhere in Wisconsin but nobody's at home. About time somebody recognised we're here. At best, this is corporate fear. At worst, it's just plain rude.

Grazie

Re: Is it true that Vegas is DEAD?
 

Wouldn't it be something if SCS pulled in ProRes without QT! I have to agree with Jack, though, Apple has shown little interest in the windows side of ProRes, with their EOL of QT for windows it's hard to imagine them opening ProRes to an SCS decoder. Wouldn't it be a nice surprise, though.
Oh, I don't know. Corporate silos are the same all over. I could easily imagine someone in charge saying "We don't announce until we release, that's always been our policy..." I tend to accept this sort of thing as business-as-usual, though I agree with Grazie's and others' comments that it is destructive of Sony's relationships with a once-loyal group of users. AVID was famously siloed, even when they were the dominant NLE. How about the Apple silo, that caused the massive professional abandonment of the platform when FCPX came along.

But, Apple may get the last laugh, as up-and-coming editors who weren't around for the FCP7 to X debacle embrace the new NLE GUI, which has continued to improve.

I guess what I'm saying is that I don't think Sony is especially nefarious or unappreciative of their users. It's the same all over, much as we would wish it were otherwise.

Re: Is it true that Vegas is DEAD?
 

Editshare, which has a strong forum community with Lightworks, doesn't let too much out in advance about release timing or new features. The time between releases has varied a bit, especially when the cross platform builds were coming out However, they do have a long beta testing stage that allows users to communticate directly with developers.

RED, in the early days was an example of going too far the otherway, with time slips etc, but now hold things very close to their chest. This seems to be case with all programs, although there is more of a rolling release process these days, rather than always waiting for NAB or IBC etc.

Could be Sony don't want to go big in marketing Vegas when they haven't anything new to release and want to keep their powder dry with new features or chamges in Vegas 14.

Re: Is it true that Vegas is DEAD?
 

My sentiments exactly.

I would not characterize the users jumping ship because Sony will not make an announcement yet about upcoming release as loyal users. If that is all it take for someone to switch products then they were not committed to it to begin with.

It's not about loyalty anyway, a product meets your needs or it does not. Vegas meets mine. I remember trying out a trial of Premier pro and the hoops I had to jump through to accomplish the simplest of things that were but one or two mouseclicks in Vegas.

Vegas meets my needs. I can edit multi-camera shoots of 4K on a computer that is 4 years old. It's not perfect but I am still very fond of Vegas and find it's simplicity for what I do a wonder.

Like most of us, I wish they would get under the hood and improve things. The way Edius handles HD and 4K footage without much effort makes me extremely jealous, but it is what it is.

At any rate, for now, I'm good.

Re: Is it true that Vegas is DEAD?
 

Not to sound like a broken record, but there are many directions Sony could/should/have taken or take Vegas. When the great Fruit started over with FCPX, we all had to take steroid injections to keep from getting sick, but I agreed with their philosophy of designing software with the end user in mind, there for starting over. Granted FCPX in it's infancy was only good for dog videos or maybe skating videos, Apple had the right idea.

A real world example is; I recently rendered some videos into MP4s, I have four different tvs to test on and out of Vegas, it failed on 1. So I took that same video file and re-rendered using software that is specifically designed for a variety of end uses; ipod, ipads, phones etc. That fixed my issue. The difference is the conversion software stays current and relevant to what we need in end time delivery for today's market.

Is Vegas dead, I still say it is, or like I mentioned before, Sony keeps it just so they say they have software, kinda like having a treadmill in your house that you rarely pay attention to.

Re: Is it true that Vegas is DEAD?
 

No one seems to have reacted to Christopher Young's post ( No. 73 above):-

As you well know I posted some of the publicity shots for the New Vegas 14 release which got released to the dealers. Dealers also received pricing information for Vegas 14. From what I understand dealers were told to hold off just days before the release which I was informed was supposed to be April 5th from memory. In other words I still believe Vegas 14 will happen.

Re the unexpected delays. I am hearing similar stories and that the sudden holdup might have something to do with the QuickTime issue and having to go back into coding to enable support of .MOV files without having to rely on Apple's 32-bit QuickTime support. If that's the case I am more than happy to wait. Time will tell I guess!

Richard