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Hernan Vilchez · February 10th, 2007, 05:44 PM

Hi! I´m editing a music videoclip shot with a Sony PD150 in 25i and a Canon XL2 25p (Im a PAL lander). Anyone could recommend me the best workflow to mix both footages in the same timeline?

Deinterlace the whoooole footage of the 150, and then work in a 25p timeline? Better ideas?

Ah! Something else... does anyone know if Premiere Pro 2.0 (and After FX) would take advantage of a dual dualcore Opteron architecture with 4 gigas, with a future HDV migration in mind? I couldn´t find the answer in Adobe´s site...

Thanks in advance! Hernan

Brian Brown · February 11th, 2007, 12:11 AM

Sorry, I can't help too much with interlacing.

But the Adobe suite only "officially" works with 32-bit Windows XP, which has a 3GB RAM addressing limitation. I've read that added more than that to a 32-bit OS can even slow it down vs. the 3GB or even 2GB. YMMV obviously.

Now, some folks have gotten many of the Adobe apps to work with 64-bit Windows (XP and Vista), but expect to have plenty of issues with drivers and other quirks (and no Encore functionality at all).

On the upside, 64-bit OS can address WAY more than 4GB. I don't think Adobe has announced support of a 64-bit OS in it's mid-year upgrade, either.

Hardware is ahead of the software... sigh
Brian Brown

Hernan Vilchez · February 11th, 2007, 06:37 AM

Thanks Brian, i read somewhere (it was veery late last night, i cant remember nor quote now) that if u use the 3gb option in the boot.ini of xp, u can use a total of 4 physical Gb, 3 are used by programs, the rest 1gb is used by the nucleo (?)

Can someone help with this issue?

And returning to the progressive-interlaced case, i did the following test: put both footage in a premiere 25p project, deinterlaced only the PD150´s shots with fieldkist deinterlacer (of course xl2 are beautiful progressive stuff) and exported as "no fields" in rendering options.

You can see some difference (much smoother the XL2 footage, the PD150 is a bit too sharp and some saw edges also) but anyway the whole looks nice to me... somebody ever tried this approach?

Thanks!!

Bart Walczak · February 12th, 2007, 03:33 AM

I have been running Adobe Apps on Windows 64 without any problems for last half a year. This has been my most stable setup so far.

Hernan Vilchez · February 12th, 2007, 08:43 AM

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I have been running Adobe Apps on Windows 64 without any problems for last half a year. This has been my most stable setup so far.

Bart, could you describe in detail your system setup? And how do you manage the RAM issue? Thanks, Hernan

Brian Brown · February 12th, 2007, 10:05 AM

Yes, please... I too would like to know your setup, Bart, and if you've had any driver issues or trouble burning DVDs with 64-bit.

I'd like to dual boot 32-bit and 64-bit XP "flavors" and take advantage of the better RAM management of 64-bit.

Thanks!
Brian Brown

Hernan Vilchez · February 17th, 2007, 05:18 PM

Are u there Bart...?

Ralph Keyser · February 19th, 2007, 12:30 PM

Hernan, getting back to your original question. What's your final target for this, and how important is preserving the "progressive look"? You can solve this problem either way, but some of the footage is going to have to be converted (either interlaced or de-interlaced).

Hernan Vilchez · February 19th, 2007, 07:10 PM

Hi Ralph! My final target is internet and maybe broadcast. Its a music videoclip of a new band, with a sutil sound.

The final look must definetely be progressive. Im already working in a progressive timeline in ppro (no fields). Ive separated the interlaced and the progressive original clips in different tracks.

As i will make some slo mo´s with twixtor, i will interlace these clips in after effects (with re:vision fieldskit) and import back as uncompressed deinterlaced in the progressive project in ppro (i cant manage to deinterlace and twixtor in the same project, ppro doesnt let me)

Then i will apply fieldskit to the rest of the remaining interlaced clips, make an overall cc and finally render with no fields. Sounds good to me.

Any suggestions? Thanks!

Michael Behr · February 19th, 2007, 07:16 PM

in premiere you can choose to export the footage as progessive...in one of the compressors. so you can work with both in the time line and then export it as what ever "progressive" and then in to encore 2 burn 2 dvd or what ever your putting it to. windows x32 will only make uses of 3gigs of ram...you can have more than that but it will be a wast. DO NOT GET INTO THE REGISTRY UNLESS YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING!!! drivers are the biggest issue for windows x64 witch sucks cause premiere wont load if a neccisary driver is missing. i dont know how well adobe products work on x64. sry

Bart Walczak · February 20th, 2007, 03:45 AM

Hernan,

The workflow idea had to do using just one file and saving daily backups under different name. Nothing to do with performance etc.

Michael,

Adobe products are quite robust under Win64 provided that you have all hardware drivers you need (ie sound and video).

February 10th, 2007, 05:44 PM	#1
Hernan Vilchez Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Munich, Germany Posts: 135	Mixing SD progressive footage with interlaced... and bonus doubt Hi! I´m editing a music videoclip shot with a Sony PD150 in 25i and a Canon XL2 25p (Im a PAL lander). Anyone could recommend me the best workflow to mix both footages in the same timeline? Deinterlace the whoooole footage of the 150, and then work in a 25p timeline? Better ideas? Ah! Something else... does anyone know if Premiere Pro 2.0 (and After FX) would take advantage of a dual dualcore Opteron architecture with 4 gigas, with a future HDV migration in mind? I couldn´t find the answer in Adobe´s site... Thanks in advance! Hernan

February 11th, 2007, 12:11 AM	#2
Brian Brown Major Player Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Estes Park, CO USA Posts: 426	Sorry, I can't help too much with interlacing. But the Adobe suite only "officially" works with 32-bit Windows XP, which has a 3GB RAM addressing limitation. I've read that added more than that to a 32-bit OS can even slow it down vs. the 3GB or even 2GB. YMMV obviously. Now, some folks have gotten many of the Adobe apps to work with 64-bit Windows (XP and Vista), but expect to have plenty of issues with drivers and other quirks (and no Encore functionality at all). On the upside, 64-bit OS can address WAY more than 4GB. I don't think Adobe has announced support of a 64-bit OS in it's mid-year upgrade, either. Hardware is ahead of the software... sigh Brian Brown

February 11th, 2007, 06:37 AM	#3
Hernan Vilchez Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Munich, Germany Posts: 135	Thanks Brian, i read somewhere (it was veery late last night, i cant remember nor quote now) that if u use the 3gb option in the boot.ini of xp, u can use a total of 4 physical Gb, 3 are used by programs, the rest 1gb is used by the nucleo (?) Can someone help with this issue? And returning to the progressive-interlaced case, i did the following test: put both footage in a premiere 25p project, deinterlaced only the PD150´s shots with fieldkist deinterlacer (of course xl2 are beautiful progressive stuff) and exported as "no fields" in rendering options. You can see some difference (much smoother the XL2 footage, the PD150 is a bit too sharp and some saw edges also) but anyway the whole looks nice to me... somebody ever tried this approach? Thanks!!

February 12th, 2007, 03:33 AM	#4
Bart Walczak Major Player Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Warsaw/Poland Posts: 716	I have been running Adobe Apps on Windows 64 without any problems for last half a year. This has been my most stable setup so far.

February 12th, 2007, 10:05 AM	#6
Brian Brown Major Player Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Estes Park, CO USA Posts: 426	Yes, please... I too would like to know your setup, Bart, and if you've had any driver issues or trouble burning DVDs with 64-bit. I'd like to dual boot 32-bit and 64-bit XP "flavors" and take advantage of the better RAM management of 64-bit. Thanks! Brian Brown

February 17th, 2007, 05:18 PM	#7
Hernan Vilchez Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Munich, Germany Posts: 135	Are u there Bart...?

February 19th, 2007, 12:30 PM	#8
Ralph Keyser Major Player Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Albuquerque, New Mexico USA Posts: 287	Hernan, getting back to your original question. What's your final target for this, and how important is preserving the "progressive look"? You can solve this problem either way, but some of the footage is going to have to be converted (either interlaced or de-interlaced).

February 19th, 2007, 07:10 PM	#9
Hernan Vilchez Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Munich, Germany Posts: 135	Hi Ralph! My final target is internet and maybe broadcast. Its a music videoclip of a new band, with a sutil sound. The final look must definetely be progressive. Im already working in a progressive timeline in ppro (no fields). Ive separated the interlaced and the progressive original clips in different tracks. As i will make some slo mo´s with twixtor, i will interlace these clips in after effects (with re:vision fieldskit) and import back as uncompressed deinterlaced in the progressive project in ppro (i cant manage to deinterlace and twixtor in the same project, ppro doesnt let me) Then i will apply fieldskit to the rest of the remaining interlaced clips, make an overall cc and finally render with no fields. Sounds good to me. Any suggestions? Thanks!

February 19th, 2007, 07:16 PM	#10
Michael Behr New Boot Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Ft.Myers Florida Posts: 23	in premiere you can choose to export the footage as progessive...in one of the compressors. so you can work with both in the time line and then export it as what ever "progressive" and then in to encore 2 burn 2 dvd or what ever your putting it to. windows x32 will only make uses of 3gigs of ram...you can have more than that but it will be a wast. DO NOT GET INTO THE REGISTRY UNLESS YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING!!! drivers are the biggest issue for windows x64 witch sucks cause premiere wont load if a neccisary driver is missing. i dont know how well adobe products work on x64. sry

February 20th, 2007, 03:45 AM	#11
Bart Walczak Major Player Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Warsaw/Poland Posts: 716	Hernan, The workflow idea had to do using just one file and saving daily backups under different name. Nothing to do with performance etc. Michael, Adobe products are quite robust under Win64 provided that you have all hardware drivers you need (ie sound and video).