Why it doesn't sound like film... at DVinfo.net

George Ellis · October 4th, 2004, 01:31 PM

I was reading the thread on sound like film, and I almost did an off-topic reply. oops.

So, I just started a new 'excuse' thread. Sometimes, like last night reviewing my final cut of my drum corps DVD, I feel totally inadequate when it comes to video and sound. The shots with mixed levels, the speaker turning away for important, but almost inaudible dialog, the too close cuts because I almost missed the moment turning on the camera and pre-amp...

For some of us, we need to remember that when we compare ourselves to film we must realize that film has closed sets, the broiling crew/talent because there are not fans, generators, buses, or A/C running, the after production sound work, and foley work. :) Waiting for everone rolling to yell 'action', a script, storyboards, and someone holding my sandwich.

I have to remind myself doing event work in run and gun mode that I do not have control of the situation, I am not working from a script, and that I am not allowed to yell cut and ask for a retake. BUT, I am trying to do better. :)

I feel better. :)

Keith Loh · October 4th, 2004, 02:45 PM

At the Vancouver International Film Festival I sat through around twelve different DV productions. One was a full length feature shot in China that was decidedly amateurish. Then I saw ten films from Japan (one 20 minute horror film and 9 funny shorts) that were all pretty good. All were shot on video. One of the key differences in terms of quality between them was audio production. The Japanese films all had very good audio mixing, used boom mics (or other focussed sound recording) and some probably made use of ADR.

George Ellis · October 4th, 2004, 08:41 PM

If you want a laugh Keith, go to my site...
http://www.versatilemediasolutions.com/spirit.htm
I have a video of the cymbal ensemble world champions (Spirit) shot across a room over the head of a crowd. I also 'misuse' my A-T 835ST as an 'interview' mic. ;)

Douglas Spotted Eagle · October 4th, 2004, 10:23 PM

I'd love to write a long reply, but I"m on dialup for the next week and it's damn painful. 14.4 in Washington DC.
Anyway, it's mostly eq, compression, and automated eq settings that does a lot of this. If I remember to look at this again after the Government Expo show is over...

George Ellis · October 10th, 2004, 10:47 AM

Bump so you can look at it again DSE. ;)

Keith Loh · October 10th, 2004, 11:34 AM

<<<-- Originally posted by George Ellis : If you want a laugh Keith, go to my site...
http://www.versatilemediasolutions.com/spirit.htm
I have a video of the cymbal ensemble world champions (Spirit) shot across a room over the head of a crowd. I also 'misuse' my A-T 835ST as an 'interview' mic. ;) -->>>

George that was really cool. I'm not an audio head but it sounded good to me. As if I was in the crowd.

That performance was awesome too.

Douglas Spotted Eagle · October 10th, 2004, 01:26 PM

I'd actually responded to this same/similar thread yesterday.
If you'd like more, I'll take the time out to write more, pending the discussion in the other thread not having been enough.

George Ellis · October 11th, 2004, 04:01 AM

Was it in the film thread? OK. I thought you might have had something specific you wanted to mention. Will reread other. :)

Update - ordered the Gibson book.

October 4th, 2004, 01:31 PM	#1
George Ellis Trustee Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Suwanee, GA Posts: 1,241	Why it doesn't sound like film... I was reading the thread on sound like film, and I almost did an off-topic reply. oops. So, I just started a new 'excuse' thread. Sometimes, like last night reviewing my final cut of my drum corps DVD, I feel totally inadequate when it comes to video and sound. The shots with mixed levels, the speaker turning away for important, but almost inaudible dialog, the too close cuts because I almost missed the moment turning on the camera and pre-amp... For some of us, we need to remember that when we compare ourselves to film we must realize that film has closed sets, the broiling crew/talent because there are not fans, generators, buses, or A/C running, the after production sound work, and foley work. :) Waiting for everone rolling to yell 'action', a script, storyboards, and someone holding my sandwich. I have to remind myself doing event work in run and gun mode that I do not have control of the situation, I am not working from a script, and that I am not allowed to yell cut and ask for a retake. BUT, I am trying to do better. :) I feel better. :)

October 4th, 2004, 02:45 PM	#2
Keith Loh Air China Pilot Join Date: May 2002 Location: Vancouver, B.C. Posts: 2,389	At the Vancouver International Film Festival I sat through around twelve different DV productions. One was a full length feature shot in China that was decidedly amateurish. Then I saw ten films from Japan (one 20 minute horror film and 9 funny shorts) that were all pretty good. All were shot on video. One of the key differences in terms of quality between them was audio production. The Japanese films all had very good audio mixing, used boom mics (or other focussed sound recording) and some probably made use of ADR. __________________ -- Visit http://www.KeithLoh.com \| stuff about living in Vancouver \| My Flickr photo gallery

October 4th, 2004, 10:23 PM	#4
Douglas Spotted Eagle VASST Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Stockton, UT Posts: 5,648	I'd love to write a long reply, but I"m on dialup for the next week and it's damn painful. 14.4 in Washington DC. Anyway, it's mostly eq, compression, and automated eq settings that does a lot of this. If I remember to look at this again after the Government Expo show is over... __________________ Douglas Spotted Eagle/Spot Author, producer, composer Certified Sony Vegas Trainer http://www.vasst.com

October 10th, 2004, 11:34 AM	#6
Keith Loh Air China Pilot Join Date: May 2002 Location: Vancouver, B.C. Posts: 2,389	<<<-- Originally posted by George Ellis : If you want a laugh Keith, go to my site... http://www.versatilemediasolutions.com/spirit.htm I have a video of the cymbal ensemble world champions (Spirit) shot across a room over the head of a crowd. I also 'misuse' my A-T 835ST as an 'interview' mic. ;) -->>> George that was really cool. I'm not an audio head but it sounded good to me. As if I was in the crowd. That performance was awesome too. __________________ -- Visit http://www.KeithLoh.com \| stuff about living in Vancouver \| My Flickr photo gallery

October 10th, 2004, 01:26 PM	#7
Douglas Spotted Eagle VASST Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Stockton, UT Posts: 5,648	I'd actually responded to this same/similar thread yesterday. If you'd like more, I'll take the time out to write more, pending the discussion in the other thread not having been enough. __________________ Douglas Spotted Eagle/Spot Author, producer, composer Certified Sony Vegas Trainer http://www.vasst.com

October 4th, 2004, 08:41 PM	#3
George Ellis Trustee Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Suwanee, GA Posts: 1,241	If you want a laugh Keith, go to my site... http://www.versatilemediasolutions.com/spirit.htm I have a video of the cymbal ensemble world champions (Spirit) shot across a room over the head of a crowd. I also 'misuse' my A-T 835ST as an 'interview' mic. ;)

October 10th, 2004, 10:47 AM	#5
George Ellis Trustee Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Suwanee, GA Posts: 1,241	Bump so you can look at it again DSE. ;)

October 11th, 2004, 04:01 AM	#8
George Ellis Trustee Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Suwanee, GA Posts: 1,241	Was it in the film thread? OK. I thought you might have had something specific you wanted to mention. Will reread other. :) Update - ordered the Gibson book.