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Old February 15th, 2006, 10:18 AM   #16
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Craig: I think we're on the same page here. (And I understood you weren't really talking about recording in "wind" but a closed room). Unfortunately the Sony VX only has AG controls but you did give me the idea to crank the gain way way down which helps greatly. I then normalize the result in post but need to really tweak things to get that "hiss" removed. Still not what I want but like your "WIND ON" filter it's better.

Ty: I actually bought the VideoMic based partially on the sound test you provided and thank you for that. (along with the other testimonials here). Again, it really does pick up great sounding audio as long as the cam is on a tripod and not moving. I've also heard the earlier VideoMics were notorious for the exact same thing I've described in this post but it was reported that this was fixed. (Better shockmount?) My RODE is only a couple of months old so I'm sure it's of the this later variety.

I'm really tempted to just right this thing off as a mistake (at least for the VX) and go to something else but I'm still leary about any audio being "on cam" and I really don't want to fool with cables.
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Old February 15th, 2006, 01:17 PM   #17
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Rick,

So what you're saying is the suspension is not good enough for hand held use on your camera, right.

That's an interesting point. I'll have to see what happens handheld with the XL2.

I can imagine that a lot of roccking motion may cause a wobble in the mic/mount and that could result in noise. Hafta try that.

Great string BTW.

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Old February 15th, 2006, 04:04 PM   #18
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Craig: I think we're on the same page here. (And I understood you weren't really talking about recording in "wind" but a closed room). Unfortunately the Sony VX only has AG controls but you did give me the idea to crank the gain way way down which helps greatly. I then normalize the result in post but need to really tweak things to get that "hiss" removed. Still not what I want but like your "WIND ON" filter it's better.

Ty: I actually bought the VideoMic based partially on the sound test you provided and thank you for that. (along with the other testimonials here). Again, it really does pick up great sounding audio as long as the cam is on a tripod and not moving. I've also heard the earlier VideoMics were notorious for the exact same thing I've described in this post but it was reported that this was fixed. (Better shockmount?) My RODE is only a couple of months old so I'm sure it's of the this later variety.

I'm really tempted to just right this thing off as a mistake (at least for the VX) and go to something else but I'm still leary about any audio being "on cam" and I really don't want to fool with cables.
Rick,

On your Sony VX, camera on (not VTR), search around in the menus and you will find a "WIND" setting. Your camera has one. It is there - you have to look. By default it is OFF. Toggle between on and off and you will notice the night & day difference. Yes I realize this cuts off the low frequencies, similar to the switch on the mic itself, but you will get better results using the in-camera setting.

Ty - we are not talking about wobble or rocking motion - we are talking about normal use. Touching the camera lightly with a finger or touching the tripod gently to move it. Very careful and deliberate movements. There's nothing extreme about how it's being used. In fact, with my VideoMic (no longer use it), on camera (PD-170) using shock mount, IN A SILENT ROOM, phantom power off, while recording, I could hear the camera's tape motor drive loud and forget touching the camera or tripod - it was way, way, way, too noisy. I ended up shooting one more event with the IN-CAMERA wind setting to ON, then bought an NTG-1. I have nothing against Rode -remember I replaced it with an NTG-1- but shortly after I got one and used it in the field I quickly realized why it was priced low.
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Old February 15th, 2006, 04:20 PM   #19
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Ty - we are not talking about wobble or rocking motion - we are talking about normal use. Touching the camera lightly with a finger or touching the tripod gently to move it. Very careful and deliberate movements. There's nothing extreme about how it's being used. In fact, with my VideoMic (no longer use it), on camera (PD-170) using shock mount, IN A SILENT ROOM, phantom power off, while recording, I could hear the camera's tape motor drive loud and forget touching the camera or tripod - it was way, way, way, too noisy.

I ended up shooting one more event with the IN-CAMERA wind setting to ON, then bought an NTG-1. I have nothing against Rode -remember I replaced it with an NTG-1- but shortly after I got one and used it in the field I quickly realized why it was priced low.
Some miniDV cams are very quiet, some aren't. Are you saying that on the VX2100 the VideoMic picks up more noise than a camera mounted NTG-1?

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Old February 15th, 2006, 05:22 PM   #20
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Shock Mount

What kind of shock mount are you using?
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Old February 16th, 2006, 09:22 AM   #21
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Some miniDV cams are very quiet, some aren't. Are you saying that on the VX2100 the VideoMic picks up more noise than a camera mounted NTG-1?

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Are you saying that on the VX2100 the VideoMic picks up more noise than a camera mounted NTG-1? yes AND same thing on my PD-170
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Old February 16th, 2006, 09:23 AM   #22
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What kind of shock mount are you using?
The shockmount supplied by Rode that comes with the VideoMic.
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Old February 16th, 2006, 09:44 AM   #23
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Rick,
On your Sony VX, camera on (not VTR), search around in the menus and you will find a "WIND" setting. Your camera has one. It is there - you have to look.
LOL! I never noticed. I've only shot indoors since I got the cam. Will give 'er a whirl :)

AND while I've got you Craig just to be sure... you're saying the NTG-1, 2 don't exhibit this behavior on your VX? (Or not as noticable). Do you still need to use the "WIND ON" setting with the NTG?

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...ughType=search

I'm still leary. Althought the VideoMic seems to have that extra "box" built in for the battery (see link below). I'm no engineer but it just seems to me the "less" bulk there is between the mount and the acutal mic the better the sound pickup should be.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...ughType=search
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Old February 16th, 2006, 10:48 AM   #24
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LOL! I never noticed. I've only shot indoors since I got the cam. Will give 'er a whirl :)

AND while I've got you Craig just to be sure... you're saying the NTG-1, 2 don't exhibit this behavior on your VX? (Or not as noticable). Do you still need to use the "WIND ON" setting with the NTG?
I'm saying the NGT-1 is much better with handling noise and the like - I don't use the wind setting with this mic unless I'm in a super quiet room and that rarely happens with the wedding events I shoot.
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