Hi,

Here is some more HD-100 created content. The documentary, independant film, music video, commercial, nature and outdoors were all shot here in Chicago. The drama and sports were shot in the orient. The oriental drama clips and sports clips were not raw m2t to me but nevertheless it displays what the HD-100 is all about. This is a small sampling of clips destined for 35mm film transfer and then projected at Columbia College (Chicago) on Feb 2. This is wmv. The clips are not color corrected and use various scene files and camera manipulation. We want to see what these raw scene files look link in transfer.

Sorry Mac guys, I'd love to put the elementary streams up for you but it's just to big.
Click Here (http://www.danielpatton.com/stephen/Filmout.wmv)

If you'd like to join in and see how well the HD-100 transfers to 35mm with your own eyes at Columbia College, register at the JVC professional web site for the JVC sponsored day.

Have fun and keep shooting...

The link doesn't work...

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Link fixed amigos....

If you'd like to join in and see how well the HD-100 transfers to 35mm with your own eyes at Columbia College, register at the JVC professional web site for the JVC sponsored day.

Have fun and keep shooting...

Do you have a link to that?

All I can say is WOW!

The train and the orient sporting event was stunning. So many other great shots / footage, too much to list in fact. It makes me want to run out with my JVC out and shoot like a rabid dog.

Any tips on your low light footage, as for settings?

Thanks for sharing Stephen.

p.s. I have a feeling the server bandwidth is going to suffer once word gets around regarding that clip, we may need to talk.

The link is down, I would really love to see this stuff. maybe somone can E-mail it to me? vatn@cfl.rr.com

Thanks
Chris

Looks great! I didn't see any compression or MPEG2 HDV artefacts in the snow or fast soccer motion scene. I tell you the people who bashes HDV are the ones who don’t use it.
The wide shots with the guy in the suit coming out of the building and in Chicago at night with the train in the background looked very sharp. Shots like that would have fell apart with DV. Lots of beautiful stuff in that reel like the Sky Vodka shot. Congrats.

P.S. One more Pro who escapes the SSE curse (hehehe, sarcasm!!!)

As usual some great stuff. Thanks for sharing with us. Partularly loved the harbour and train.

Regards Greg C

P.S. Any news on a scene file sticky in the forum?

HDV 1 really is a whole different beast when compared to HDV 2 (1080i) other than the name being the same they are not even close in terms of quality.

Most people who say HDV sucks are watching the more common 1080i form of HDV or HDV 1 from the old single chip JVC HDV camera.

Stephen thanks for those samples. I am returning today from our 5 week trip to South Africa. Right before we left for South Africa we sold our house in California and moved to Madison, WI. I think I might just have to take a small drive to Chi-town and check out some of the transfers.

Stephen,

Beautiful footage. Thank you for taking your time to prepare and post it. I watched the footage on my Sony Vaio... three times!

Sorry Mac guys, I'd love to put the elementary streams up for you but it's just to big.
Click Here (http://www.danielpatton.com/stephen/Filmout.wmv)

For the Mac guys, Microsoft has officially announced that they will not be developing Windows Media Player for Mac anymore (they haven't had a new version in two years.)

However, they are offering for free a download of Flip4Mac v2.0 which was developed by a third party and allows Windows Media content to be played from within Quicktime. It even works in Safari as a plug-in.

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/player/flip4mac.mspx

I have been using the new version of Flip4Mac all morning and it has been working great... except for Stephen's file above. The problem is that Flip4Mac only supports up to Windows Media Video 9 Advanced Profile and not WMV10.

So please, I beg anyone encoding and uploading WMV files, for the sake of cross compatibility please use WMV9 and not 10.

There are problems with QT 7.04 and the original Flip4mac version.

Apple QuickTime v7.0.4 users, please use this new Flip4Mac version 2.01:

http://www.flip4mac.com/downloads/wmv_player/Flip4Mac%20WMV%202.0.1.dmg

There are problems with QT 7.04 and the original Flip4mac version.



Yeah, I had been just figuring that out :-) Good link. Shanks.

The encoded video is only 5 megabit , so there are plenty of compression artifacts due to that. 9 megabits/sec works better for 720p.
The edge enhancements are far too evident for a film like 35mm transfer. For example, look at the edge of the buildings in the train footage. The ringing ( overshoot) due to the video edge enhancements are a disappointment, as I know this can be turned down in the camera.
I come from a film background, and I'm starting to think that folks coming from a video background just aren't tuned into these defects.
If the test was supposed to see how close the hd100 can come to a film look, then re shoot with the sharpening turned down. Film *never* has overshoot or ringing.
-Les

The encoded video is only 5 megabit , so there are plenty of compression artifacts due to that. 9 megabits/sec works better for 720p.
The edge enhancements are far too evident for a film like 35mm transfer. For example, look at the edge of the buildings in the train footage. The ringing ( overshoot) due to the video edge enhancements are a disappointment, as I know this can be turned down in the camera.
I come from a film background, and I'm starting to think that folks coming from a video background just aren't tuned into these defects.
If the test was supposed to see how close the hd100 can come to a film look, then re shoot with the sharpening turned down. Film *never* has overshoot or ringing.
-Les
Agreed, however, we want to see the effects and what to expect from different scenarios. If I'd have encoded the file @ 9Mb it would be HUGE and really the web space is hard to come by. This is to just give some ideas and idea of the type of stuff we're prepairing for transfer.

If we see something in the transfer that is alarming we'll let everyone know what to expect. As it is, the small sample is highly compressed and of course the transfer content will be uncompressed TGA sequences.

good luck amigos...

The encoded video is only 5 megabit , so there are plenty of compression artifacts due to that. 9 megabits/sec works better for 720p.
The edge enhancements are far too evident for a film like 35mm transfer. For example, look at the edge of the buildings in the train footage. The ringing ( overshoot) due to the video edge enhancements are a disappointment, as I know this can be turned down in the camera.
I come from a film background, and I'm starting to think that folks coming from a video background just aren't tuned into these defects.
If the test was supposed to see how close the hd100 can come to a film look, then re shoot with the sharpening turned down. Film *never* has overshoot or ringing.
-Les

I learned a lot about this from Adam Wilt during the course of the 4 camera shootout last week. I got to see on a scope just how too much image enhancement destroys the signal.

I had been working with -3 or -4 detail on my HD100 prior to the tests, now I'm doing more of my own testing with -9 or detail off completely. As Jay Nemeth said to me...you can always add detail in post, but if you shoot with it, you can never take it away. I knew that before, of course, but adding an unsharp mask in post always seemed like it'd be a pain.

Since color-correction products like DaVinci do their own edge-enhancement when transferring film, but the film itself of course has none...I've decided maybe the best approach is to treat edge enhancement like I do color-correction. Necessary, but something best done in post where I can fine tune it for the intended distribution (small screen NTSC, large screen HD, or even NOT adding it for a filmout).

Stephen,

Thank you for posting the link - the footage was very interesting.

Do you know (or is there any way to find out) which lens was being used in all or some of the shots?

Hey Nate, have you used your HDV100 to shoot any ov your videos?

Stephen,

Thank you for posting the link - the footage was very interesting.

Do you know (or is there any way to find out) which lens was being used in all or some of the shots?
The stock lens was used on all of the Chicago stuff (listed above). I can not speak for the oriental stuff. There are even more clips in the film transfer and the stock lens was used throughout.

Sorry everyone but the link to the file had to be cut... the load on my server bandwidth was WAY higher than I thought it would be. I hope that Stephen can find a temporary spot for his examples until I regain some bandwidth, it will be 15 more days until I can host like that again regardless.

Daniel,

You have been great to host those files and my hat's off to you for your gracious offer. You're tops in my book amigo!

I had been working with -3 or -4 detail on my HD100 prior to the tests, now I'm doing more of my own testing with -9 or detail off completely.

Nate, have you seen a difference/improvement by turning OFF the detail? I have mysettings like at 0, or -3.

The stock lens was used on all of the Chicago stuff (listed above). I can not speak for the oriental stuff. There are even more clips in the film transfer and the stock lens was used throughout.

I find that reassuring. I am weighing the HVX/HD100 purchase decision and am finding myself gravitating towards the HD100 - and your link (and response to my question) really is assisting in that regard.

Thank you very much.

The encoded video is only 5 megabit , so there are plenty of compression artifacts due to that. 9 megabits/sec works better for 720p.
The edge enhancements are far too evident for a film like 35mm transfer. For example, look at the edge of the buildings in the train footage. The ringing ( overshoot) due to the video edge enhancements are a disappointment, as I know this can be turned down in the camera.
I come from a film background, and I'm starting to think that folks coming from a video background just aren't tuned into these defects.
If the test was supposed to see how close the hd100 can come to a film look, then re shoot with the sharpening turned down. Film *never* has overshoot or ringing.
-Les


ringing has always been my biggest complaint about dv cameras when using them for keying FX. Forget about the low chroma space I can deal with that but a white and black ring around your subjects is impossible to get rid of unless you use a mask tool which doesn't give you a natural key and looks more like the subject was rotoscoped. One of the more important aspepcts of HDV for me was finally having a camera where I can turn off edge enhancement for VFX work. With DV this was a little tough because the image would really start to get soft. With HDV there is a lot more resolution to play with.

Hey Nate, have you used your HDV100 to shoot any ov your videos?

The Static-X vid, that's it.