XF300 Weight/Handling at DVinfo.net

Go Back   DV Info Net > Canon EOS / MXF / AVCHD / HDV / DV Camera Systems > Canon XF Series HD Camcorders

Canon XF Series HD Camcorders
Canon XF305, XF205 and XF105 (with SDI), Canon XF300, XF200 and XF100 (without SDI).


Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old January 3rd, 2013, 08:26 PM   #1
Major Player
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Hamilton, New Zealand
Posts: 745
XF300 Weight/Handling

Hey guys,

I know I've been asking a lot of questions recently, but I think I've almost decided on my new camera. Just deciding between the XF300, JVC HM600 and PMW-200 now.

Anyway, I'm after some info from XF300 owners who use the camera for run-and-gun shooting. I shoot a lot of events that require me to be on my feet running around with the camera hand-held all day.

Is the XF300 too heavy for this type of work? Keep in mind I'm coming from an XA10, so I'm not used to heavy cameras.

Thanks for any info :)
Jody Arnott is offline   Reply With Quote
Old January 3rd, 2013, 08:36 PM   #2
Major Player
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: The Colony TX
Posts: 327
Re: XF300 Weight/Handling

Most likely, you --WILL-- need some kind of shoulder mount if you aren't shooting tripod-based. I went from an XL2 to the XF300. I loved going totally digital (no tape), but without the tape transport mechanism, the XF300 is shorter and doesn't have the integral shoulder rest. As a result, even after adding a shoulder mount, the XF300 is kinda front heavy. You can counteract this by adding a battery mount to the rear of the shoulder mount to counterbalance the rig.

Martin
__________________
Canon XF300, Canon 5DMkII, Canon XL2, Rolls MX422 mixer, Zoom H4N, AT899 lavs, AT2020's, Azden SGM 1X shotgun, Manfrotto 501 head on 351 tripod
Martin Catt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old January 4th, 2013, 01:46 AM   #3
Inner Circle
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Norwich, Norfolk, UK
Posts: 3,445
Re: XF300 Weight/Handling

The XF300 is surprisingly light for the bulk. I have an XF105 & find that small but in comparison an XA10 is tiny.
Nigel Barker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old January 4th, 2013, 04:27 AM   #4
Major Player
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Hamilton, New Zealand
Posts: 745
Re: XF300 Weight/Handling

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nigel Barker View Post
The XF300 is surprisingly light for the bulk. I have an XF105 & find that small but in comparison an XA10 is tiny.
Thanks for the info. So do you think it would be a suitable camera to hand hold for longs periods? And if not, can anyone recommend a shoulder rig?

Also, does anyone know if the images from the XA10 and XF300 can be cut together nicely in post? Obviously the images will be different, but any clues if they are close enough to work with?

Thanks again
Jody Arnott is offline   Reply With Quote
Old January 4th, 2013, 07:27 AM   #5
Trustee
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Gwaelod-y-garth, Cardiff, CYMRU/WALES
Posts: 1,215
Re: XF300 Weight/Handling

Don't just think about shoulder-mounting the camera - I tend to shoot a lot with the camera tucked into my side which is no weight at all. If you need eye-level, it's easy to just raise it and use the eyepiece...
__________________
TV Director / Cameraman
Robin Davies-Rollinson is offline   Reply With Quote
Old January 4th, 2013, 07:40 AM   #6
Trustee
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Atlanta, GA
Posts: 1,135
Re: XF300 Weight/Handling

The XF300 is a magnificant camcorder. Look at the video I just posted on Underwater Over land. It was shot with the XF300 handheld. This is a truely professional camcorder. The IS is top notch. Bob
Bob Safay is offline   Reply With Quote
Old January 4th, 2013, 08:05 AM   #7
Inner Circle
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Boca Raton, FL
Posts: 2,979
Re: XF300 Weight/Handling

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jody Arnott View Post
...So do you think it would be a suitable camera to hand hold for longs periods? And if not, can anyone recommend a shoulder rig?...
There's no magic here. The standard for ENG is a shoulder mount camera. All 3 of those camcorders are similar in that they are handycams. That translates to 5-7 pounds wobbling at the end of your arm held at a distance where you can focus on the LCD or jammed into your eyesocket using the VF. Holding it steady for more than 10-15 seconds comes down to physical conditioning and various technique and assistive devices. Other that the pure physics of each camera's "curb weight" and weight distribution (lighter and even is generally better but differences between the cameras may be small), those cameras are pretty much the same and other factors should probably drive the decision.

There are a plethora of shoulder mounts to choose from and some searches here on DVinfo will give you a good idea of those that are out there. I suggest shooting on a few practice runs so you have a better idea of what you want for the camera you choose.
Les Wilson is offline   Reply With Quote
Old January 4th, 2013, 11:29 AM   #8
Regular Crew
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: United States
Posts: 38
Re: XF300 Weight/Handling

The Canon XF300 is a very nice camera. However I agree that it's ridiculously front-heavy. I tried it out at length and my right wrist was seriously aching. I've shot primarily with the XF100, HVX200, HPX170, and some EX1, and those were all noticeably easier to handhold, at least to me. Eventually I settled on the PMW200, which is reasonably comfortable to hold for long stretches. (I use a monopod to provide relief when needed.)
John M. Kim is offline   Reply With Quote
Old January 4th, 2013, 11:52 AM   #9
Inner Circle
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Arlington, TX
Posts: 2,230
Re: XF300 Weight/Handling

I would respectfully disagree about the XF300 being front heavy by itself. I find it is very balanced although not light like an HMC-150. If I have my palm in the side handle, left hand thumb under the front corner and the viewfinder against my face it is very easy to shoot. With the IS turned on you can be very steady even at the tele end of the lens.

I would advise to try all of these cameras first before making a decision as it varies a lot between designers.

You have a tough choice ahead! To me it comes down to colorimetry, codec and handling. All areas where the XF300 excels. Light gathering is where it is a little weaker than the others.
Tim Polster is offline   Reply With Quote
Old January 4th, 2013, 07:53 PM   #10
Major Player
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Port Townsend, WA
Posts: 445
Re: XF300 Weight/Handling

Well, I own the 305 and 105, and a 5D. Yes, the 305 is not ideal for an all day run and gun, but, I would not trade it for a heavier shoulder mount camera, but wish it had a built in shoulder mount. . I also always bring a monopod with feet with me. This helps a great deal, and I also have a shoulder mount rig. There are lots of great ones out there. I like the DVTec rig. Folds up small and also lets me get the damn thing off my shoulder quickly, often. Anyway, I do also hand hold for long amounts of time, sometimes it works, and the ability to swivel the LCD around allows me to get the camera into any old position quickly. I do shoot it mounted on my shoulder, as I only use the LCD, not the EVF. It works great. It's slightly front heavy but is easy to get used to, and actually I find it works great. I agree with Tim's assessments above.

Low light is the weakness of this camera compared to a DSLR, but you already know that (G).

Would I buy it again. Absolutely. It's picture quality is just outstanding, and the ergonomics are very good, with some agravations (don't they all). Even after a lot of shooting on it, the 105 and the 5D Mkiii I find that if I really want "broadcast quality" on a run and gun shoot, I grab the 305. If I need to work more stealthy or need stills, I grab the 5D.

Here's two different run and guns

5D run and gun with a wired mic directly into the camera.

305 hand held in low stage light (Cheryl was moving all over the place)
Al Bergstein is offline   Reply With Quote
Old January 4th, 2013, 10:57 PM   #11
Regular Crew
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Toronto Canada
Posts: 101
Re: XF300 Weight/Handling

I use a Manfrotto 561BHDV1 Video Monopod with the Canon XF300 and I couldn't survive without it!
I also use a Sachtler ACE..
sometimes hand held can create a nice flow with the IS engaged but not for a long period of time. It's almost 6 pounds. A shoulder rig is not an option for me.
I will get a second monopod for a Canon XF100 I recently purchased.
I'm still getting used to the XF300 although I have used the XHA1s for 3 years and prior to that a XL1s
Can't imagine how the pros do it with those massive ENG cameras...time to hit the gym big time!
E
__________________
http://www.fandangovideo.com
Canon C100 mark 2, Canon XF300 & XF100, Canon 70D, Sony RX100 iv, Sachtler ACE M etc
Erick Perdomo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old January 5th, 2013, 12:26 AM   #12
Major Player
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Hamilton, New Zealand
Posts: 745
Re: XF300 Weight/Handling

Thanks for all of the info guys. Really appreciated.

This decision is proving to be ridiculously difficult to make. While I'm sold on the XF300 on every other aspect, the size/weight puts me off due to the frequent run and gun handheld shooting I do.

The Sony PMW-100 is tempting for its size, but it's only single sensor and there's no word on IQ yet.
The Panny AC90 is tempting because of it's size too, but no 4:2:2 and the chips are only 1/4, so low light would be an issue.
Then there's the Sony EA50, but I don't think the large sensor would suit my typical shooting style.

Then the Panasonic AG160 and JVC HM600, both of which have the same size/weight issues as the Xf300.

I've been going over and over these cameras for a month now and I don't know if I'm any closer to knowing which one I want to buy. Unfortunately where I live there isn't anywhere I can easily go to view the cameras in person.

Ah well.. I'll keep at it.. hopefully I'll have made up my mind before 2014 :D

If anyone has any suggestions of cameras I haven't mentioned, feel free!
Jody Arnott is offline   Reply With Quote
Old January 5th, 2013, 11:37 PM   #13
Major Player
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Menlo Park, CA
Posts: 342
Re: XF300 Weight/Handling

The XF300/305 has some weight, but honestly not a lot and the video quality is great. How long are you hand holding the camera and what kind of shooting. I find it works very well overall, and I also use an XF100 because of the compatible codecs. You cannot beat the image quality at 50 mbps.
Jack Hubbard
Jack D. Hubbard is offline   Reply With Quote
Old January 6th, 2013, 12:20 AM   #14
Major Player
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Hamilton, New Zealand
Posts: 745
Re: XF300 Weight/Handling

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack D. Hubbard View Post
The XF300/305 has some weight, but honestly not a lot and the video quality is great. How long are you hand holding the camera and what kind of shooting. I find it works very well overall, and I also use an XF100 because of the compatible codecs. You cannot beat the image quality at 50 mbps.
Jack Hubbard
Some shoots I need to be on my feet handholding the camera all day. The XA10 is great for this but I need something better.
Jody Arnott is offline   Reply With Quote
Old January 6th, 2013, 09:42 AM   #15
Major Player
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Port Townsend, WA
Posts: 445
Re: XF300 Weight/Handling

Checkout the video on the multirg. Support systems for DSLR/ DV/ HDV/ Camcoders
i've tried a few rigs now and keep coming back to this to augment all day shoots on the xf305. It can fast mount to a tripod, and folds up so when i take it off the shoulder, i can easily walk through a crowd with it carried from the xf handle. But true shoulder mounts are always going to be steadier for longer. Just a question if you are physically up to a shouldermount for long days. I am not wanting to carry that weight all day anymore. The flexibilty of the dvtech rig has allowed me a longer work day, when needed.

No financial interest in it.
Al Bergstein is offline   Reply
Reply

DV Info Net refers all where-to-buy and where-to-rent questions exclusively to these trusted full line dealers and rental houses...

Professional Video
(800) 833-4801
Portland, OR

B&H Photo Video
(866) 521-7381
New York, NY

Z.G.C.
(973) 335-4460
Mountain Lakes, NJ

Abel Cine Tech
(888) 700-4416
N.Y. NY & L.A. CA

Precision Camera
(800) 677-1023
Austin, TX

DV Info Net also encourages you to support local businesses and buy from an authorized dealer in your neighborhood.
  You are here: DV Info Net > Canon EOS / MXF / AVCHD / HDV / DV Camera Systems > Canon XF Series HD Camcorders

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

 



Google
 

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 03:56 AM.


DV Info Net -- Real Names, Real People, Real Info!
1998-2017 The Digital Video Information Network