a clip with 14x lens all manual

Oleg Kalyan · May 18th, 2006, 02:27 PM

Steve, Thanks for feedback. Not sure what you mean by frame blending. Do you see it in dialogue scene?

Shot HDV 25F, captured HDV 1080 50i, edited in FCP 5.1 changing speed 50 to 70 %, quick editing, it took me probably 3 hours to put it all together, plus encoding H264 another 20 min. (I probably should do slow mo in Shake, by building extra frames. Had never done that, will do probably next week)

Output via Compresor to H264 custom size, there is a Frame reodering option, not sure what it means, and do not remember whether I chose it.

Tony Davies-Patrick · May 18th, 2006, 03:21 PM

Some decent work in that clip, Oleg. What preset settings did you use on the H1? I did notice some overlapping clips and slowing of soundtrack in parts, but this may have just been the compression and download.
I liked the close-up face footage - very nice stuff. Have you also tried the 16X MF?

Oleg Kalyan · May 18th, 2006, 11:50 PM

Tony, thanks, should be no overlapping clips or slowing of soundtrack.

I have not used 16x lens, couldn't find it in Moscow. Got 14x, and really liked it. I assume difference is built in ND filter in 16, don't know about pic quality, I actually feel better to control exposure via external ND and other filters, getting exposure measurements through light meter, substracting Filter factor, etc, makes me feel more like a photographer. Onother note, I like manual lens for the reason of focusing, no matter what people here saying about veiwfinder if you use manual lens it's not too much a factor anymore, you go back a forth and lots of times go with the feel of focusing ring, just checkingpoints of no focus, can't do it with stock lens, motor...

I will post CF settings later, have to pull my camera, also I really think using light meter really helps, exposure change of a stop eigther way changes the quality of the picture, (talking about latitude).

Regards, Oleg.

Tony Davies-Patrick · May 19th, 2006, 12:56 AM

The only really soft focus that I noticed was the shot of the very last man's face shown near the end of the clip. The first half of the clip tended to rise and fall gently in the tighter shots and this is where the IS of the 20X lens would have helped. I agree with you about the manual focus control of the image, and although AF helps in some circumstances there is nothing quite like having full control via a full manual lens.

The 14X MF lens is a really nice optic, but I much prefer the 16X MF lens.

I'm off today to France for 3-weeks of filming, so will view your CF settings when I return. Sadly, I havn't yet bought a new 16X Manual Servo lens to replace the one that was stolen in Spain a few weeks ago, so I'll have to do most of the filming with the 20X IS lens.

Oleg Kalyan · May 19th, 2006, 04:25 AM

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Cph:-2
Rgn:1
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Tony Davies-Patrick · May 19th, 2006, 04:54 AM

Thanks for that Oleg - I haven't got access at the moment to a H1 to try your presets, so I'll keep it for reference for the future. I did try to input similar presets into the XL2 (not the same, I know) but found it slightly too strongly biased towards green on some subjects for my liking, especially if the main background is white or light blue.

Oleg Kalyan · May 19th, 2006, 05:17 AM

To me it's a bit orangy, on highlights on difectly lit subjects, I'd try to get less of that, on the other hand it it looks warm and saturated. Not too many films have that look lately, one that comes to mind is Lara Croft.
I've checked recent trailers, it it seems that producers and DPs go more for pale magentish look on skin, similar to original settings of H1.

Tony Davies-Patrick · May 19th, 2006, 06:48 AM

Yes, I agree that the actual clip looks warm on faces, although I prefer this to having too cool colours. The very slight green that I mentioned with the same settings on the XL2 probably look different on the H1 anyway,
but even then I doubt that it really matters unless it was placed beside footage set at neutral tone.

Most outdoor nature subjects and landscapes tend to look better with colours more vibrant, but with humans, especially facial skin tones, it is often important to have a more neutral setting - although I'm not keen on seeing everyone walking around like pale white or pink Victorians, as if they've never seen the sun or stepped outside the door...

I suppose, like most things, it all boils down to personal taste and what you are happy with.

Tony Davies-Patrick · May 19th, 2006, 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tony Davies-Patrick

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I'm off today to France for 3-weeks of filming...

A bad storm is raging in northern France tonight...damn...I'd better not pay the ferry man until it reaches the other side!

Oleg Kalyan · May 19th, 2006, 01:41 PM

HOPe you'll be safe. Oleg.

Chris Hurd · May 20th, 2006, 03:09 PM

Oleg, I would like to add your settings to our Custom Preset Download library. Do you have a name that you prefer for this preset? It can be eight letters long. I thought about calling it "OlegWarm" but of course its name is really up to you. Thanks in advance,

Oleg Kalyan · May 20th, 2006, 03:44 PM

Chris, sure, OlegWarm, sounds great, I take it as a compliment!
Just to add I had a skin feature setup on medium.

Chris Hurd · May 20th, 2006, 04:10 PM

Thank you Oleg, I will add your preset and notes to our download library.

Chris Hurd · May 21st, 2006, 01:09 PM

Oleg's CPF file is now available for downloading at http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showpost....20&postcount=7

John Hampton · February 1st, 2007, 12:25 AM

Oleg, I tried your preset in Venice Beach, CA today and was impressed with the footage in the lower light conditions. However, all of the sunlit footage has a flickering zebra-ish sparkle to it that attaches to any complicated detail in the shot.

What feature of the preset accounts for this and why would it be used if it makes all lines and detail sparkle.

John Hampton

May 18th, 2006, 03:21 PM	#17
Tony Davies-Patrick Trustee Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Worldwide Posts: 1,589	Some decent work in that clip, Oleg. What preset settings did you use on the H1? I did notice some overlapping clips and slowing of soundtrack in parts, but this may have just been the compression and download. I liked the close-up face footage - very nice stuff. Have you also tried the 16X MF? __________________ www.WILDCARP.com www.NIKON.me.uk

May 19th, 2006, 12:56 AM	#19
Tony Davies-Patrick Trustee Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Worldwide Posts: 1,589	The only really soft focus that I noticed was the shot of the very last man's face shown near the end of the clip. The first half of the clip tended to rise and fall gently in the tighter shots and this is where the IS of the 20X lens would have helped. I agree with you about the manual focus control of the image, and although AF helps in some circumstances there is nothing quite like having full control via a full manual lens. The 14X MF lens is a really nice optic, but I much prefer the 16X MF lens. I'm off today to France for 3-weeks of filming, so will view your CF settings when I return. Sadly, I havn't yet bought a new 16X Manual Servo lens to replace the one that was stolen in Spain a few weeks ago, so I'll have to do most of the filming with the 20X IS lens. __________________ www.WILDCARP.com www.NIKON.me.uk

May 19th, 2006, 04:25 AM	#20
Oleg Kalyan Major Player Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: MOSCOW Posts: 860	My CP prefs, on this session Hope it helps Gam:Cine2 Kne:Low Blk:s Ped:-1 Set:-1 Shp:0 Hdf:m Dhv:0 Cor:2 Nr1:0 Nr2:m Cmx:Normal Cgn:1 Cph:-2 Rgn:1 Ggn:2 Bgn:1 Rgm:1 Rbm:2 Grm:0 Gbm:0 Brm:0 Bgm:0

May 19th, 2006, 04:54 AM	#21
Tony Davies-Patrick Trustee Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Worldwide Posts: 1,589	Thanks for that Oleg - I haven't got access at the moment to a H1 to try your presets, so I'll keep it for reference for the future. I did try to input similar presets into the XL2 (not the same, I know) but found it slightly too strongly biased towards green on some subjects for my liking, especially if the main background is white or light blue. __________________ www.WILDCARP.com www.NIKON.me.uk

May 19th, 2006, 06:48 AM	#23
Tony Davies-Patrick Trustee Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Worldwide Posts: 1,589	Yes, I agree that the actual clip looks warm on faces, although I prefer this to having too cool colours. The very slight green that I mentioned with the same settings on the XL2 probably look different on the H1 anyway, but even then I doubt that it really matters unless it was placed beside footage set at neutral tone. Most outdoor nature subjects and landscapes tend to look better with colours more vibrant, but with humans, especially facial skin tones, it is often important to have a more neutral setting - although I'm not keen on seeing everyone walking around like pale white or pink Victorians, as if they've never seen the sun or stepped outside the door... I suppose, like most things, it all boils down to personal taste and what you are happy with. __________________ www.WILDCARP.com www.NIKON.me.uk

May 18th, 2006, 02:27 PM	#16
Oleg Kalyan Major Player Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: MOSCOW Posts: 860	Steve, Thanks for feedback. Not sure what you mean by frame blending. Do you see it in dialogue scene? Shot HDV 25F, captured HDV 1080 50i, edited in FCP 5.1 changing speed 50 to 70 %, quick editing, it took me probably 3 hours to put it all together, plus encoding H264 another 20 min. (I probably should do slow mo in Shake, by building extra frames. Had never done that, will do probably next week) Output via Compresor to H264 custom size, there is a Frame reodering option, not sure what it means, and do not remember whether I chose it.

May 18th, 2006, 11:50 PM	#18
Oleg Kalyan Major Player Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: MOSCOW Posts: 860	Tony, thanks, should be no overlapping clips or slowing of soundtrack. I have not used 16x lens, couldn't find it in Moscow. Got 14x, and really liked it. I assume difference is built in ND filter in 16, don't know about pic quality, I actually feel better to control exposure via external ND and other filters, getting exposure measurements through light meter, substracting Filter factor, etc, makes me feel more like a photographer. Onother note, I like manual lens for the reason of focusing, no matter what people here saying about veiwfinder if you use manual lens it's not too much a factor anymore, you go back a forth and lots of times go with the feel of focusing ring, just checkingpoints of no focus, can't do it with stock lens, motor... I will post CF settings later, have to pull my camera, also I really think using light meter really helps, exposure change of a stop eigther way changes the quality of the picture, (talking about latitude). Regards, Oleg.

May 19th, 2006, 05:17 AM	#22
Oleg Kalyan Major Player Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: MOSCOW Posts: 860	To me it's a bit orangy, on highlights on difectly lit subjects, I'd try to get less of that, on the other hand it it looks warm and saturated. Not too many films have that look lately, one that comes to mind is Lara Croft. I've checked recent trailers, it it seems that producers and DPs go more for pale magentish look on skin, similar to original settings of H1.

May 19th, 2006, 01:41 PM	#25
Oleg Kalyan Major Player Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: MOSCOW Posts: 860	HOPe you'll be safe. Oleg.

May 20th, 2006, 03:09 PM	#26
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,366 Images: 513	Oleg, I would like to add your settings to our Custom Preset Download library. Do you have a name that you prefer for this preset? It can be eight letters long. I thought about calling it "OlegWarm" but of course its name is really up to you. Thanks in advance, __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

May 20th, 2006, 03:44 PM	#27
Oleg Kalyan Major Player Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: MOSCOW Posts: 860	Chris, sure, OlegWarm, sounds great, I take it as a compliment! Just to add I had a skin feature setup on medium.

May 20th, 2006, 04:10 PM	#28
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,366 Images: 513	Thank you Oleg, I will add your preset and notes to our download library. __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

May 21st, 2006, 01:09 PM	#29
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,366 Images: 513	Oleg's CPF file is now available for downloading at http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showpost....20&postcount=7 __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

February 1st, 2007, 12:25 AM	#30
John Hampton Tourist Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Westwood, CA Posts: 4	Strange zebra-ish look with this cp Oleg, I tried your preset in Venice Beach, CA today and was impressed with the footage in the lower light conditions. However, all of the sunlit footage has a flickering zebra-ish sparkle to it that attaches to any complicated detail in the shot. What feature of the preset accounts for this and why would it be used if it makes all lines and detail sparkle. John Hampton