S-Log Video at DVinfo.net

Dan Keaton · September 8th, 2011, 08:02 AM

Dear Friends,

Our friend, Jim Arthurs, has produced an amazing video which explains Sony S-Log and Log footage in general.

This is a very informative video. Jim's goal is to thoroughly explain S-Log and its advantages without using highly technical words.

I feel that he did an excellent job.

The video is entitled "Better Living through S-Log":

Adam Stanislav · September 8th, 2011, 11:46 AM

Sorry, I watched the video twice, even muted the hypnotic music the second time, and I have no idea what it was about. First it talks about Arri, but suddenly talks about Sony F3. So which is it? What about other cameras? Then again, the text moves in and out faster than I could read, so maybe that is why I did not get it. I really wish someone was talking instead of the fast moving text and the annoying background music.

Why not just use floating point numbers and fit the full scale between 0 and 1? That’s what all editors use internally anyway. And when you are finished editing, your output is not logarithmic, so what is the point of having all the range you cannot use anyway? Unless you want to release it on film, you can normally only use what the MPEG standard allows, and that is not much.

Would Sony Vegas be able to read those files?

Sorry, that video was confusing to me.

Chris Hurd · September 8th, 2011, 01:12 PM

Dan... you've got mail!

Dan Keaton · September 8th, 2011, 01:25 PM

Dear Chris,

Thank you very much!

Steve Kalle · September 10th, 2011, 12:11 AM

Sorry, but I feel the same way as Adam. The text moves way too fast and the video makes Log confusing even though I already understand it. And that music is very distracting.

EDIT: I watched it again and it seems to be easier to understand if the viewer constantly pauses to read the text and associated images AND hit the mute button ;)

John McCully · September 10th, 2011, 03:00 AM

Loved the sound track. And my understanding of S-Log took a quantum leap in a positive direction. Yes, the pause button was handy, necessary, but I’m a slow learner even as the story was well told. Now when I get me an F3...

Great job Dan, very informative as you said; most helpful.

(What was that soundtrack?)

Dan Keaton · September 10th, 2011, 03:32 AM

Dear Friends,

Thank you for your comments.

This is a work in-progress.

We intend to add more information to this video, over time, and we will take all of your comments to heart.

I do not know the music used.

Bill Ward · September 11th, 2011, 08:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John McCully

Loved the sound track. (What was that soundtrack?)

I believe it may have been the oft-used "Bomb-bay to the Future" cut from the "Compendium of Annoying Music Programs for Industry" (www.campi-cuts.com) collection.

Chris Hurd · September 13th, 2011, 06:08 PM

Updated OP to include Vimeo link...

Dan Keaton · September 13th, 2011, 07:12 PM

Dear Chris,

Thank you very much!

Peter Moretti · September 14th, 2011, 01:15 AM

I think the video was EXCELLENT!

One ? is what's the workflow to get the DPX files editable in the NLE? I don't believe FCP can use DPX, and I know Avid Media Composer can't. And I'm not aware of DPX transcoding programs other than Glue Tools.

But I do think the video was fantastic.

Steve Kalle · September 14th, 2011, 01:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter Moretti

I think the video was EXCELLENT!

One ? is what's the workflow to get the DPX files editable in the NLE? I don't believe FCP can use DPX, and I know Avid Media Composer can't. And I'm not aware of DPX transcoding programs other than Glue Tools.

But I do think the video was fantastic.

I would have thought MC can handle DPX.

So, Premiere Pro is the only major NLE that can import DPX? (I know because I usually export DPX from After Effects and use within PPro).

I think Cineform can transcode DPX to Cineform.

Also, in one of my FXPHD classes, they used AE to convert a very large number of shots using expressions and possibly a script (to use as proxies).

EDIT: I found this for you: Avid | MetaFuze

Peter Moretti · September 14th, 2011, 04:02 AM

Steve, thanks. I forgot about Metafuze, as it seems to be a product that Avid has been phasing out.

BTW, can DPX files be wrapped in Quicktime? If it's Quicktime wrapped, Avid MC can access it via AMA (Avid Media Access). Also maybe a DPX AMA plugin is being developed for MC.

Dan Keaton · September 14th, 2011, 10:41 AM

Dear Peter and Steve,

We are working, on many fronts to make the Gemini 4:4:4's DPX files easy to use.

1. One can use the full uncompressed DPX files as is. (More on this later)

2. One can use the full uncompressed DPX files as the source for obtaining a compressed file format of your choice.

This allows one, during the file transfer process to obtain the file type (codec) of your choice, so you can use a familar workflow, if you so desire.

Then, whenever you wish, you can use a full compressed workflow when you are ready.

I had prepared a much more detailed response. Our lab manager is going to test various NLE's and their actual support as soon as possible, then I will post more information.

My goal is to be very accurate, as opposed to posting a reply immediately.

September 8th, 2011, 08:02 AM	#1
Dan Keaton Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Augusta Georgia Posts: 5,421	S-Log Video Dear Friends, Our friend, Jim Arthurs, has produced an amazing video which explains Sony S-Log and Log footage in general. This is a very informative video. Jim's goal is to thoroughly explain S-Log and its advantages without using highly technical words. I feel that he did an excellent job. The video is entitled "Better Living through S-Log": Better Living Through S-Log on Vimeo __________________ Dan Keaton Augusta Georgia

September 8th, 2011, 11:46 AM	#2
Adam Stanislav Trustee Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Rhinelander, WI Posts: 1,258	Re: S-Log Video Sorry, I watched the video twice, even muted the hypnotic music the second time, and I have no idea what it was about. First it talks about Arri, but suddenly talks about Sony F3. So which is it? What about other cameras? Then again, the text moves in and out faster than I could read, so maybe that is why I did not get it. I really wish someone was talking instead of the fast moving text and the annoying background music. Why not just use floating point numbers and fit the full scale between 0 and 1? That’s what all editors use internally anyway. And when you are finished editing, your output is not logarithmic, so what is the point of having all the range you cannot use anyway? Unless you want to release it on film, you can normally only use what the MPEG standard allows, and that is not much. Would Sony Vegas be able to read those files? Sorry, that video was confusing to me.

September 8th, 2011, 01:12 PM	#3
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,366 Images: 513	Re: S-Log Video Dan... you've got mail! __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

September 8th, 2011, 01:25 PM	#4
Dan Keaton Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Augusta Georgia Posts: 5,421	Re: S-Log Video Dear Chris, Thank you very much! __________________ Dan Keaton Augusta Georgia

September 10th, 2011, 12:11 AM	#5
Steve Kalle Trustee Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 1,554	Re: S-Log Video Sorry, but I feel the same way as Adam. The text moves way too fast and the video makes Log confusing even though I already understand it. And that music is very distracting. EDIT: I watched it again and it seems to be easier to understand if the viewer constantly pauses to read the text and associated images AND hit the mute button ;)

September 10th, 2011, 03:00 AM	#6
John McCully Major Player Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: South Island, New Zealand Posts: 609 Images: 2	Re: S-Log Video Loved the sound track. And my understanding of S-Log took a quantum leap in a positive direction. Yes, the pause button was handy, necessary, but I’m a slow learner even as the story was well told. Now when I get me an F3... Great job Dan, very informative as you said; most helpful. (What was that soundtrack?)

September 10th, 2011, 03:32 AM	#7
Dan Keaton Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Augusta Georgia Posts: 5,421	Re: S-Log Video Dear Friends, Thank you for your comments. This is a work in-progress. We intend to add more information to this video, over time, and we will take all of your comments to heart. I do not know the music used. __________________ Dan Keaton Augusta Georgia

September 13th, 2011, 06:08 PM	#9
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,366 Images: 513	Re: S-Log Video Updated OP to include Vimeo link... __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

September 13th, 2011, 07:12 PM	#10
Dan Keaton Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Augusta Georgia Posts: 5,421	Re: S-Log Video Dear Chris, Thank you very much! __________________ Dan Keaton Augusta Georgia

September 14th, 2011, 01:15 AM	#11
Peter Moretti Trustee Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Sherman Oaks, CA Posts: 1,259	Re: S-Log Video I think the video was EXCELLENT! One ? is what's the workflow to get the DPX files editable in the NLE? I don't believe FCP can use DPX, and I know Avid Media Composer can't. And I'm not aware of DPX transcoding programs other than Glue Tools. But I do think the video was fantastic. __________________ Avid Media Composer 3.1.3. Boris Red and Continuum Complete. Vegas 8.0c. TMPGEnc Xpress Pro 4.0

September 14th, 2011, 04:02 AM	#13
Peter Moretti Trustee Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Sherman Oaks, CA Posts: 1,259	Re: S-Log Video Steve, thanks. I forgot about Metafuze, as it seems to be a product that Avid has been phasing out. BTW, can DPX files be wrapped in Quicktime? If it's Quicktime wrapped, Avid MC can access it via AMA (Avid Media Access). Also maybe a DPX AMA plugin is being developed for MC. __________________ Avid Media Composer 3.1.3. Boris Red and Continuum Complete. Vegas 8.0c. TMPGEnc Xpress Pro 4.0

September 14th, 2011, 10:41 AM	#14
Dan Keaton Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Augusta Georgia Posts: 5,421	Re: S-Log Video Dear Peter and Steve, We are working, on many fronts to make the Gemini 4:4:4's DPX files easy to use. 1. One can use the full uncompressed DPX files as is. (More on this later) 2. One can use the full uncompressed DPX files as the source for obtaining a compressed file format of your choice. This allows one, during the file transfer process to obtain the file type (codec) of your choice, so you can use a familar workflow, if you so desire. Then, whenever you wish, you can use a full compressed workflow when you are ready. I had prepared a much more detailed response. Our lab manager is going to test various NLE's and their actual support as soon as possible, then I will post more information. My goal is to be very accurate, as opposed to posting a reply immediately. __________________ Dan Keaton Augusta Georgia