Sanyo 1920x1080 60p camcorders announced

Nicky Campos · January 24th, 2009, 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paulo Teixeira

1/2.5" CMOS
http://us.sanyo.com/Dynamic/news/doc...ifications.pdf

Really? Isnt this bigger than the sensor used for Sony EX1?

Paulo Teixeira · January 24th, 2009, 04:21 PM

The sensors of the EX1/EX3 is quoted as ½” which is bigger. Anyway, Even the cheep HD camcorders that costs $100 to $250 have sensors that are 1/2.5“.

Kurth Bousman · January 24th, 2009, 05:55 PM

1/2.5" would be exactly halfway between 1/2" and 1/3" or .40" - at least it's not 1/6" like of lot of panys but I wouldn't be expecting alot of dof properties on larger sensors - that said , for the price , these cameras look very nice - let's see some samples and hope the bitrate gives some nice images

John Hedgecoe · January 25th, 2009, 04:55 AM

At 24 Mb/s, that's almost double what the HD1010 does, so that is VERY good news. Question is, does it maintain that data rate at 1080p30 too? Or is it only for 1080p60.

As for the 0.4x wide angle lens.... yes it does vignette considerably at full wide, however if you zoom in to 1.2x, the vignetting disappears.

The 40.5mm thread means the 1010 accessories will work on the new 2000. That is also good news.

By the way, neither the HD1010, nor the 2000 when it comes out, can hold a candle to the Sony PMW-EX1. The EX1 is an absolutely amazing, and ground breaking, camera.

John Wyatt · January 25th, 2009, 08:12 AM

Just had a quick look at the specs and wondered what size the stills are for the 12 fps sequential shooting facility? And is there a duration limit on how long you can shoot them for? Might have an application for us alternative imaging guys if favourable...

EDIT: sorry, just saw that sequential shooting: 4 mgp stills at 12 fps is only for a total of 15 photos, 8 mgp stills at 6 fps is only for a total of 9 photos. Oh well.

Bill Koehler · January 25th, 2009, 08:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Hedgecoe

At 24 Mb/s, that's almost double what the HD1010 does, so that is VERY good news. Question is, does it maintain that data rate at 1080p30 too? Or is it only for 1080p60.

Reading the specification PDF referenced above, 1080p30 appears to correspond to Full-SHQ: 1920 x 1080 (30 fps/ 12Mbps)

Paulo Teixeira · January 25th, 2009, 01:30 PM

And for 1920x1080 60i, it’s 16MBPS. Around the same as Sony’s.

Colin Rootz · January 31st, 2009, 08:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Hedgecoe

By the way, neither the HD1010, nor the 2000 when it comes out, can hold a candle to the Sony PMW-EX1. The EX1 is an absolutely amazing, and ground breaking, camera.

Nice one John! LOL! You're exactly right though! I doubt Sanyo would have the balls to put any Xacti camera up against an EX1!

It [the HD2000] seems to be an interesting and fun camera:
-1080/60p @ 24Mb/s is cool
-External (2.5mm) mic input (Sennheiser MKE 400 whoo!)
-240fps and 600fps (web size :-P ) - interesting
-HDMI out - nice

EIS instead of OIS is a bummer, but you can't get everything, eh?

I'd love to be able to download some stills and video from it.

Kurth Bousman · January 31st, 2009, 02:57 PM

Anyone know the resolution for the 240fps on the hd2000 ?

Kurth Bousman · January 31st, 2009, 03:02 PM

answered my own question
>>The 240fps mode uses 448 x 336, and the 600fps mode 192 x 108, which isn't going to be tremendously useful most of the time. The video is then played back at 60fps, giving you 25 per cent and 10 per cent slow-mo respectively.<<

John Hedgecoe · February 3rd, 2009, 05:46 AM

I own the HD1010 (and the EX1), but I find the motion/compression artifacts to be horrendous on the 1010. I could do without the 1080p60 if only they would offer the 24Mbps at 1080p30.

There will be no advantage to 1080p60 over 1080p30 as the compression/motion artifacts will probably be comparable. Only you will have them in twice as many frames at p60.

The 1010 is a fun little camera and while I would like the improved stills capability, without an improvement in the video quality I will not be upgrading.

Paulo Teixeira · February 19th, 2009, 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jack Zhang

No, the PS3 decoding AVC at 60p would lag at the 40-50 frames per second range.

I’ve played back a clip on my PS3 that I posted here http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/mpg4-sany...ml#post1014316 and it plays back extremely smoothly but there is just one problem, it takes around 43 to 44 seconds just to play back a 29 second clip. I’m pissed that it doesn’t play it at normal speed but at least I know how smooth the picture quality would look if you want to use this camera for slow motion shots at full HD resolution.

John Godden · March 5th, 2010, 05:19 PM

I own the Sany VPC-FH1. It's a nice little camera with the exception that the digital IS doesn't work very good.

The new Pani TM700 should be the best tiny cam this year. OIS ~~~~ yeah!

cheers
JohnG

January 24th, 2009, 04:21 PM	#17
Paulo Teixeira Trustee Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 1,773	The sensors of the EX1/EX3 is quoted as ½” which is bigger. Anyway, Even the cheep HD camcorders that costs $100 to $250 have sensors that are 1/2.5“. __________________ https://www.youtube.com/user/PhotoVi...esEtc/featured https://www.pond5.com/artist/paulot

January 25th, 2009, 08:12 AM	#20
John Wyatt Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: West Country, UK Posts: 141	Just had a quick look at the specs and wondered what size the stills are for the 12 fps sequential shooting facility? And is there a duration limit on how long you can shoot them for? Might have an application for us alternative imaging guys if favourable... EDIT: sorry, just saw that sequential shooting: 4 mgp stills at 12 fps is only for a total of 15 photos, 8 mgp stills at 6 fps is only for a total of 9 photos. Oh well. Last edited by John Wyatt; January 25th, 2009 at 09:09 AM.

January 25th, 2009, 01:30 PM	#22
Paulo Teixeira Trustee Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 1,773	And for 1920x1080 60i, it’s 16MBPS. Around the same as Sony’s. __________________ https://www.youtube.com/user/PhotoVi...esEtc/featured https://www.pond5.com/artist/paulot

March 5th, 2010, 05:19 PM	#28
John Godden Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 172	I own the Sany VPC-FH1. It's a nice little camera with the exception that the digital IS doesn't work very good. The new Pani TM700 should be the best tiny cam this year. OIS ~~~~ yeah! cheers JohnG __________________ Nikon DSLR's finally a small 60P camcorder (Sanyo VPC-FH1)

January 24th, 2009, 05:55 PM	#18
Kurth Bousman Major Player Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: san miguel allende , gto , mexico Posts: 644	1/2.5" would be exactly halfway between 1/2" and 1/3" or .40" - at least it's not 1/6" like of lot of panys but I wouldn't be expecting alot of dof properties on larger sensors - that said , for the price , these cameras look very nice - let's see some samples and hope the bitrate gives some nice images

January 25th, 2009, 04:55 AM	#19
John Hedgecoe Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Bangkok, Thailand Posts: 146	At 24 Mb/s, that's almost double what the HD1010 does, so that is VERY good news. Question is, does it maintain that data rate at 1080p30 too? Or is it only for 1080p60. As for the 0.4x wide angle lens.... yes it does vignette considerably at full wide, however if you zoom in to 1.2x, the vignetting disappears. The 40.5mm thread means the 1010 accessories will work on the new 2000. That is also good news. By the way, neither the HD1010, nor the 2000 when it comes out, can hold a candle to the Sony PMW-EX1. The EX1 is an absolutely amazing, and ground breaking, camera.

January 31st, 2009, 02:57 PM	#24
Kurth Bousman Major Player Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: san miguel allende , gto , mexico Posts: 644	Anyone know the resolution for the 240fps on the hd2000 ?

January 31st, 2009, 03:02 PM	#25
Kurth Bousman Major Player Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: san miguel allende , gto , mexico Posts: 644	answered my own question >>The 240fps mode uses 448 x 336, and the 600fps mode 192 x 108, which isn't going to be tremendously useful most of the time. The video is then played back at 60fps, giving you 25 per cent and 10 per cent slow-mo respectively.<<

February 3rd, 2009, 05:46 AM	#26
John Hedgecoe Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Bangkok, Thailand Posts: 146	I own the HD1010 (and the EX1), but I find the motion/compression artifacts to be horrendous on the 1010. I could do without the 1080p60 if only they would offer the 24Mbps at 1080p30. There will be no advantage to 1080p60 over 1080p30 as the compression/motion artifacts will probably be comparable. Only you will have them in twice as many frames at p60. The 1010 is a fun little camera and while I would like the improved stills capability, without an improvement in the video quality I will not be upgrading.