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Old November 6th, 2011, 05:06 AM   #46
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They could always buy an Ikonoskop.
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Old November 6th, 2011, 06:19 AM   #47
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In reality it's the SI 2K, which seems to have found a niche in 3D films. However, it's rather more expensive camera than the 2/3" Scarlet and perhaps now due for an upgrade.

Although, I've just been reminded that you can window the new Scarlet at 2k, which gives a slightly less than Super 16 size image.

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Old November 6th, 2011, 08:36 AM   #48
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Scarlet is a beautiful camera, really, i mean 4K for $15,000!

I don't see any reason why a production that can afford to use this camera would not use this camera.

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Old November 6th, 2011, 09:11 AM   #49
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Not all productions want to use a RAW workflow, The Alexa has been a popular choice for TV productions using ProRES and even HDCAM SR rather than RAW.

How reliable the new camera is also remains to be seen. There are a number of factors to be considered when selecting a camera.
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Old November 6th, 2011, 09:50 AM   #50
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I'm imagining a lot of Scarlet production will be done at ProRes 4:2:2 as well through external recorders.
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Old November 6th, 2011, 10:34 AM   #51
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I expect many productions will take up the ProRes option, those external recorders are getting cheaper.
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Old November 6th, 2011, 11:44 AM   #52
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I think it was a great move for RED.

I placed an order and look forward to it making my business good money in 2012.
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Old November 6th, 2011, 12:13 PM   #53
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Not all productions want to use a RAW workflow, The Alexa has been a popular choice for TV productions using ProRES and even HDCAM SR rather than RAW.

How reliable the new camera is also remains to be seen. There are a number of factors to be considered when selecting a camera.
I've had an Epic and Red MX crash and overheat on me durIng several shoots. Very embarassing to me. Even though im still a Red fanatic, my faith in Red is lessened.

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Old November 7th, 2011, 12:00 PM   #54
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Not all productions want to use a RAW workflow,
to me it was the most important part of the deal, I've spend a lot of time playing with R3Ds- love that post production freedom;
I've been waiting for that camera for three years, I didn't get exactly what I've been waiting for, but no doubt Scarlet X is a very good deal, well, at least I'd love to think that way,
mine should start shipping Nov 17, as soon as I'll get it will post comparison to all cameras I have 1D, 5D, EX1 and maybe even G10 :))))
I'm excited
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Old November 7th, 2011, 12:32 PM   #55
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The post route is a decision made for each production. Many productions have little or no grading work done on them and that includes broadcast television.

I had a conversion with one cameraman regarding the 2/3" Scarlet for use on documentary programmes and he made the point that you wouldn't let some producers anywhere near RAW. Basically, they just wouldn't get it.
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Old November 7th, 2011, 12:57 PM   #56
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Yeah, for fast turnaround TV production, the heck with 4K and RAW. Consider all of NBC's Thursday night comedies. Not a one of them needs more than a basic scene matching grade.

But for documentaries, I liked the idea of 2/3" RAW. Focus wasn't perfect? No big deal. You grabbed the camera, set a close-enough exposure and didn't have time to set the color balance? It might be a bit noisy or blown out, but you got the shot and the colors look natural. You shot indoors, outdoors, and under every kind of light imaginable? No big deal, you can match your shots in post.

It's not that documentaries need extreme grading; it's that the material might be all over the place and you don't always have time to get it perfect. Often you don't know the story until after it's shot, so setting a fixed in-camera look might not be the best approach. (A doc about a celebrity honeymoon might change if the next morning, a dead body appears... Don't get any ideas, folks!)

I'm more of an S35 narrative guy, but I can really appreciate the disappointment that many feel about there being no 2/3" announcement this month. There's still a need for a 2/3" digital cinema cam.
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Old November 7th, 2011, 01:07 PM   #57
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I think it's more difficult to hold consistency with the LCDs you get on the cheaper cameras. With the higher end 2/3" cameras you can set up the V/F correctly and set the exposure manually quickly by eye. As one documentary cameraman I know put it "you set the exposure for what looks good".
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mine should start shipping Nov 17, as soon as I'll get it will post comparison to all cameras I have 1D, 5D, EX1 and maybe even G10 :))))
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Old November 7th, 2011, 04:09 PM   #59
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Just to verify, Scarlet is S35, not 2/3-inch, correct?

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Old November 7th, 2011, 04:13 PM   #60
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Correct -- it is the same size sensor as Epic X (in fact, they are factory seconds from the Epic X line).
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