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Old January 6th, 2015, 02:17 AM   #16
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This looks like a sony CXxxx replacement, a smaller sensor doesn't necessarily mean worse low light performance though as my cx730 is equally sensitive as my ax100 yet produces less noise at it's highest iso but cannot match the ax100 detail at those levels after downscaling from 4k to 1080p.

This might be a worthy replacement for my cx730's once the price goes down in a year or so.
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Old January 6th, 2015, 03:14 AM   #17
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Yep, I'm thinking the same thing, upgrade the PJ760...

The low light specs I read on the Sony page indicated it's a bit worse in low light in 4K modes than in 1080p modes... 9 lux vs 6 lux IIRC.

Of course all the specs are "open" until we get more solid info - it would certainly be "nice" if this was the 1" AX100 sensor on a "magic eyeball", and it would make this a nice second cam to the AX100 (and at the $999 price not $100 more!).

IMO the "random number" approach to product info release needs a bit of work! Panasonic seems to have done a bit better job of getting their specs in a row... and a couple good "competing" offerings to keep things interesting!
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Old January 6th, 2015, 05:44 AM   #18
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Even stranger, there appears to be a Euro model, AXP33 with a projector, and the US model without...

BUT... the good news is that AX100 should get the higher bitrate with new firmware in March!!

Now where is the 4K firmware for the RX10/RX100M3... c'mon Sony, give us some love! We all know the hardware is there...
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Old January 6th, 2015, 05:50 AM   #19
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"The FDR-AX100 will also support XAVC S 4K 100Mbps high-bitrate recording through a firmware update scheduled for March 2015."

Source: Capture every detail of your life in 4K* with compact new... - Sony
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Old January 6th, 2015, 07:09 AM   #20
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So, presumably (!) the Sony PXW-X70 will get this 100Mbps 4K encoding rate too - and hopefully a few other flavours of XAVC, bearing in mind it's going to be a paid for update whilst the "lesser" AX100 etc. will get it for free?
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Old January 6th, 2015, 07:15 AM   #21
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The X70 may get expanded XAVC flavors beyond XAVC-S, which means 4:2:2 10bit is therefore possible in 4K. Keep in mind the AX100 and X70 do not support U3 SDXC cards, even though they have the best front-ends with their 1'' sensors. Knowing Sony, unless they add a XQD slot to the X70, there won't be expanded XAVC flavors for 4K60p or 4K intra-only available.
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Old January 6th, 2015, 07:24 AM   #22
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1/2.3 type(7.76mm) back-illuminated Exmor R CMOS Sensor
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Old January 6th, 2015, 08:22 AM   #23
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The LongGOP upgrade for the PXW-Z100 was still 4:2:0 8 bit XAVC-L MXF which is what I think will be the case for the X70 . I agree the sensible way would be to have a hardware up grade to XQD cards for the X70.

We will have to wait and see have the low light performance compares to previous models. It look like the specs show about the same for HD performance.

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Old January 6th, 2015, 08:41 AM   #24
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FDR-AX33/B $999.99 no ETA...
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Old January 6th, 2015, 09:07 AM   #25
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Phil, could you check up on the specs.4K Camcorder with 1" sensor ? FDR-AX33/B Review | Sony Store U.S. - Sony US The Sony site has both sensor sizes quoted on the same page !!!! I think that there is a little cut and paste error !! I am sure the sensor is really 1/2.3 as stated lower down in the specs page.

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Old January 6th, 2015, 10:15 AM   #26
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Re: New Sony FDR AX33 does indeed have the small sensor

The 35mm-equivalent wide end for the AX100 and the AX33 is stated to be about 29mm.

But if you look at the lenses of the two camcorders you see engraved around the lens (so no typos):

AX100: 9.3mm-111.6mm

AX33: 3.8-38

The crop factor of the AX33 is much bigger than that of the AX100, indicating its sensor is much smaller. It's the same size sensor as that for the Sony Action Cam!
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Old January 6th, 2015, 10:41 AM   #27
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Phil, could you check up on the specs.4K Camcorder with 1" sensor ? FDR-AX33/B Review | Sony Store U.S. - Sony US The Sony site has both sensor sizes quoted on the same page !!!! I think that there is a little cut and paste error !! I am sure the sensor is really 1/2.3 as stated lower down in the specs page.

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It's listed as a 1/2.3" sensor on the B&H page:

Sony FDR-AX33 4K Ultra HD Handycam Camcorder FDR-AX33 B&H Photo



Does the camera come with a lens hood? I haven't come across any pics with one. Nor is one listed with "in the box." The new 4K Panasonics come with one.
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Old January 6th, 2015, 02:07 PM   #28
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Pretty sure it's the smaller sensor... BIG goof to list it as a 1" sensor... oh well, it's got some other "handy" features, if the video output looks good, should be a decent stealth/second angle cam that again can be cropped with good results for HD projects.

Good question on the hood... haven't seen one yet in any promo posted, would seem like it should get one, but maybe they decided "stealth" was more important?!
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Old January 6th, 2015, 03:57 PM   #29
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Multi Camera Control Live Streaming

Intriguing - Can 5 compatible cameras be live switched with the wifi function and then streamed?
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Old January 6th, 2015, 08:18 PM   #30
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The LongGOP upgrade for the PXW-Z100 was still 4:2:0 8 bit XAVC-L MXF which is what I think will be the case for the X70 . I agree the sensible way would be to have a hardware up grade to XQD cards for the X70.

We will have to wait and see have the low light performance compares to previous models. It look like the specs show about the same for HD performance.

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Makes you wonder why 4K/UHD wasn't included on the X70 from the get-go rather than added as an upgrade, let alone as a paid upgrade (and IIRC from rumors I read a while ago, not a cheap one).
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