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Old September 1st, 2016, 07:25 AM   #1
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Old September 1st, 2016, 07:43 AM   #2
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Re: Canon XC15

Ironically, the lack of XLR was not the reason I decided not to pull the trigger on the XC10 in the first place. It has some great specs, but it seriously needs to be built around EF-M. For a 1" sensor, this camera will struggle in certain situations in which you are stuck at f/5.6. On top of that, the detail is rather lacking in the image, even at 4K. I can live with everything else.
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Old September 1st, 2016, 08:21 AM   #3
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indeed, something is just not aligning with my needs either with the XC line. the biggest irk to me is the loupe'ed screen instead of a proper EVF. At this price point, there's really no excuse to make such a cut

the rx10 m3 has tempted me, but then again so has half a dozen other cameras i don't technically need
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Old September 1st, 2016, 01:23 PM   #4
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The reason the XC delivers less than you would expect from a one inch chip is that it is less than a one inch chip. I was told it is about half as wide, so about one quarter of the surface area.
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Old September 1st, 2016, 01:27 PM   #5
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The reason the XC delivers less than you would expect from a one inch chip is that it is less than a one inch chip.
Except it doesn't have the same detail as the Pocket Cinema Camera, a sensor size of 12.48mm x 7.02mm. The XC10/15 has a sensor size of 12.8mm x 9.6mm. The problem is more the low quality of the lens than the sensor. I am more than happy to work within the limitations of the sensor size when shooting 8-bit 4:2:2 internally to CFast cards I already own. However, I cannot overcome the fixed lens.
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Old September 1st, 2016, 02:13 PM   #6
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Re: Canon XC15

Well, EF-M requires an APS/Super 35 sensor.
Since I got a M3, I find intriguing that concept.

Would Canon put a 4k sensor of this size into the XC series without cannibalising other cameras?
I see various 4K camcorders appearing around.

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Old September 2nd, 2016, 07:26 AM   #7
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Well, EF-M requires an APS/Super 35 sensor.
You might as well say that EF requires a full frame sensor. Yes, the sensor won't be big enough to cover the entirety of the image that EF-M lenses can show, but so what? I understand that, it doesn't hurt anything, and it gives me a mount to use that isn't as deep as a full EF mount would be.
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Old September 2nd, 2016, 02:07 PM   #8
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Re: Canon XC15

I tried XC10 for two weeks.

Pros:
very good ergonomy, smooth change of F-stop (also without sound noise), a very nice and new EOS cinematic color profile, nice picture at HD without aliasing (much better then GH4 at HD 50p), good picture at UHD with some minor post-sharpness

Cons:
colors need manual WB on white paper (or shift +400K), only CFast 2.0 for UHD intra (without cheap long-gop version with 100Mbps on SDXC), no setting for Noise Reduction, worse visibility of manual focus on LCD (than GH4).

Much better visibility of manual focus is a big advantage for GH4.
XLR at XC15 is nice option.
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Old September 4th, 2016, 09:21 AM   #9
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You might as well say that EF requires a full frame sensor. Yes, the sensor won't be big enough to cover the entirety of the image that EF-M lenses can show, but so what? I understand that, it doesn't hurt anything, and it gives me a mount to use that isn't as deep as a full EF mount would be.
Well, having a small sensor (smaller than APS-C or Super 35) in an EF-M mount means that you lose wide angle capability.

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Old September 4th, 2016, 09:24 AM   #10
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Well, having a small sensor (smaller than APS-C or Super 35) in an EF-M mount means that you lose wide angle capability.
No you don't. The lens is 8.9mm at its widest. You can easily get 8mm lenses.
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Old September 4th, 2016, 05:32 PM   #11
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Well, the widest Canon lens in EF-M mount is an 11-22, according to EF-M Camera Lenses - Canon UK

But I thought that the whole idea about EF-M was to use EF lenses in the XC15? Using a Rokinon 8mm fisheye sort of defeats the purpose, I think?

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