Canon XC15 at DVinfo.net

Brian Rhodes · September 1st, 2016, 07:25 AM

Canon’s New XC15 4K UHD Video Camcorder at DV Info Net

1" CMOS Sensor and DIGIC DV 5 Processor
UHD 4K at up to 29.97 fps
Integrated f/2.8-5.6/8.9-89mm Zoom Lens
XLR Audio Input & MA-400 Mic Adapter
24p Mode for 4K and 1080p Video
New Looks and Menu Options
Waveform Monitor Display
Three New Shutter Speeds
Highlight Priority HDR-Like Gamma
Rules Assignable to Files & Metadata

Gary Huff · September 1st, 2016, 07:43 AM

Ironically, the lack of XLR was not the reason I decided not to pull the trigger on the XC10 in the first place. It has some great specs, but it seriously needs to be built around EF-M. For a 1" sensor, this camera will struggle in certain situations in which you are stuck at f/5.6. On top of that, the detail is rather lacking in the image, even at 4K. I can live with everything else.

Darren Levine · September 1st, 2016, 08:21 AM

indeed, something is just not aligning with my needs either with the XC line. the biggest irk to me is the loupe'ed screen instead of a proper EVF. At this price point, there's really no excuse to make such a cut

the rx10 m3 has tempted me, but then again so has half a dozen other cameras i don't technically need

Philip Lipetz · September 1st, 2016, 01:23 PM

The reason the XC delivers less than you would expect from a one inch chip is that it is less than a one inch chip. I was told it is about half as wide, so about one quarter of the surface area.

Gary Huff · September 1st, 2016, 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Philip Lipetz

The reason the XC delivers less than you would expect from a one inch chip is that it is less than a one inch chip.

Except it doesn't have the same detail as the Pocket Cinema Camera, a sensor size of 12.48mm x 7.02mm. The XC10/15 has a sensor size of 12.8mm x 9.6mm. The problem is more the low quality of the lens than the sensor. I am more than happy to work within the limitations of the sensor size when shooting 8-bit 4:2:2 internally to CFast cards I already own. However, I cannot overcome the fixed lens.

Nick Fotis · September 1st, 2016, 02:13 PM

Well, EF-M requires an APS/Super 35 sensor.
Since I got a M3, I find intriguing that concept.

Would Canon put a 4k sensor of this size into the XC series without cannibalising other cameras?
I see various 4K camcorders appearing around.

N. F.

Gary Huff · September 2nd, 2016, 07:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nick Fotis

Well, EF-M requires an APS/Super 35 sensor.

You might as well say that EF requires a full frame sensor. Yes, the sensor won't be big enough to cover the entirety of the image that EF-M lenses can show, but so what? I understand that, it doesn't hurt anything, and it gives me a mount to use that isn't as deep as a full EF mount would be.

Pavel Sedlak · September 2nd, 2016, 02:07 PM

I tried XC10 for two weeks.

Pros:
very good ergonomy, smooth change of F-stop (also without sound noise), a very nice and new EOS cinematic color profile, nice picture at HD without aliasing (much better then GH4 at HD 50p), good picture at UHD with some minor post-sharpness

Cons:
colors need manual WB on white paper (or shift +400K), only CFast 2.0 for UHD intra (without cheap long-gop version with 100Mbps on SDXC), no setting for Noise Reduction, worse visibility of manual focus on LCD (than GH4).

Much better visibility of manual focus is a big advantage for GH4.
XLR at XC15 is nice option.

Nick Fotis · September 4th, 2016, 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gary Huff

You might as well say that EF requires a full frame sensor. Yes, the sensor won't be big enough to cover the entirety of the image that EF-M lenses can show, but so what? I understand that, it doesn't hurt anything, and it gives me a mount to use that isn't as deep as a full EF mount would be.

Well, having a small sensor (smaller than APS-C or Super 35) in an EF-M mount means that you lose wide angle capability.

N. F.

Gary Huff · September 4th, 2016, 09:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nick Fotis

Well, having a small sensor (smaller than APS-C or Super 35) in an EF-M mount means that you lose wide angle capability.

No you don't. The lens is 8.9mm at its widest. You can easily get 8mm lenses.

Nick Fotis · September 4th, 2016, 05:32 PM

Well, the widest Canon lens in EF-M mount is an 11-22, according to EF-M Camera Lenses - Canon UK

But I thought that the whole idea about EF-M was to use EF lenses in the XC15? Using a Rokinon 8mm fisheye sort of defeats the purpose, I think?

N.F.

September 1st, 2016, 07:25 AM	#1
Brian Rhodes Major Player Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 753	Canon XC15 Canon’s New XC15 4K UHD Video Camcorder at DV Info Net 1" CMOS Sensor and DIGIC DV 5 Processor UHD 4K at up to 29.97 fps Integrated f/2.8-5.6/8.9-89mm Zoom Lens XLR Audio Input & MA-400 Mic Adapter 24p Mode for 4K and 1080p Video New Looks and Menu Options Waveform Monitor Display Three New Shutter Speeds Highlight Priority HDR-Like Gamma Rules Assignable to Files & Metadata Attached Thumbnails

September 1st, 2016, 07:43 AM	#2
Gary Huff Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 2,006	Re: Canon XC15 Ironically, the lack of XLR was not the reason I decided not to pull the trigger on the XC10 in the first place. It has some great specs, but it seriously needs to be built around EF-M. For a 1" sensor, this camera will struggle in certain situations in which you are stuck at f/5.6. On top of that, the detail is rather lacking in the image, even at 4K. I can live with everything else.

September 1st, 2016, 08:21 AM	#3
Darren Levine Major Player Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: NJ/NYC Posts: 563	Re: Canon XC15 indeed, something is just not aligning with my needs either with the XC line. the biggest irk to me is the loupe'ed screen instead of a proper EVF. At this price point, there's really no excuse to make such a cut the rx10 m3 has tempted me, but then again so has half a dozen other cameras i don't technically need __________________ C100 - GH4 - NYC Shooter www.DarrenLevine.com

September 1st, 2016, 01:23 PM	#4
Philip Lipetz Major Player Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Columbus, Ohio Posts: 273	Re: Canon XC15 The reason the XC delivers less than you would expect from a one inch chip is that it is less than a one inch chip. I was told it is about half as wide, so about one quarter of the surface area.

September 1st, 2016, 02:13 PM	#6
Nick Fotis Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Athens, Greece Posts: 85	Re: Canon XC15 Well, EF-M requires an APS/Super 35 sensor. Since I got a M3, I find intriguing that concept. Would Canon put a 4k sensor of this size into the XC series without cannibalising other cameras? I see various 4K camcorders appearing around. N. F.

September 2nd, 2016, 02:07 PM	#8
Pavel Sedlak Major Player Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Prague Czech Republic Posts: 263	Re: Canon XC15 I tried XC10 for two weeks. Pros: very good ergonomy, smooth change of F-stop (also without sound noise), a very nice and new EOS cinematic color profile, nice picture at HD without aliasing (much better then GH4 at HD 50p), good picture at UHD with some minor post-sharpness Cons: colors need manual WB on white paper (or shift +400K), only CFast 2.0 for UHD intra (without cheap long-gop version with 100Mbps on SDXC), no setting for Noise Reduction, worse visibility of manual focus on LCD (than GH4). Much better visibility of manual focus is a big advantage for GH4. XLR at XC15 is nice option. Attached Thumbnails

September 4th, 2016, 05:32 PM	#11
Nick Fotis Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Athens, Greece Posts: 85	Re: Canon XC15 Well, the widest Canon lens in EF-M mount is an 11-22, according to EF-M Camera Lenses - Canon UK But I thought that the whole idea about EF-M was to use EF lenses in the XC15? Using a Rokinon 8mm fisheye sort of defeats the purpose, I think? N.F.