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Dustin Cross · November 10th, 2005, 03:36 PM

Aloha,

I just got back from AFM and was suprised how important film look was to all the distrubutors. If you are making an indie movie and want to get distribution I recomend you do everything thing you can to make it look like film. Even if you only spend a few grand and the final product is only ever going to be on DVD they want it to look like you shot film.

Now my question. Is there anywhere I can get a DVD or see a comparison of footage shot on different formats/cameras, digital and film and see what they look like at the end on standard def DVD to help decide which camera to use for different projects?

Basically I would like to see a DVD with the same footage shot from different cameras like:

DXV100 24p stock
DXV100 24p w/ digital filmlook
DXV100 24p 35mm print telecine back to SD

XL2 24p stock
XL2 24p w/ digital filmlook
XL2 24p 35mm print telecine back to SD

HD100 24p stock
HD100 24p w/ digital filmlook
HD100 24p 35mm print telecine back to SD

FX1/Z1 60i stock
FX1/Z1 60i 3:2 pulldown w/ digital filmlook
FX1/Z1 60i 3:2 pulldown 35mm print telecine back to SD

FX1/Z1 25p stock
FX1/Z1 25p converted to 24p w/digital filmlook
FX1/Z1 25p converted to 24p 35mm print telecine back to SD

XL H1 24f stock
XL H1 24f w/ digital filmlook
XL H1 24f 35mm print telecine back to SD

XL H1 60i stock
XL H1 60i 3:2 pulldown w/ digital filmlook
XL H1 60i 3:2 pulldown 35mm print telecine back to SD

Varicam 24p stock
Varicam 24p w/ digital filmlook
Varicam 24p 35mm print telecine back to SD

F900 24p stock
F900 24p w/ digital filmlook
F900 24p 35mm print telecine back to SD

16mm telecine to SD

Super 16mm telecine to SD

35mm telecine to SD

This would be a great DVD for digital to film transfer places like DVfilm or Digital Film Group to have. I would be willing to pay to see something like this. If anyone knows of such a DVD please let me know or if someone has access to resources to make such a DVD I am interested to know how much it would cost to get you to do it?

Mahalo,
Dusty

Matt Brabender · November 10th, 2005, 03:54 PM

I know it's not exactly what you're after but...
Comapre the star wars movies - Episode 1 with Episode 3
Similar style, abliet the latter is a lot darker, but I think you can definately see the difference in the two. Episode 3 is much cleaner - almost too much.

Mathieu Ghekiere · November 12th, 2005, 06:24 AM

You mean episode 2 and 3.
But indeed, I thought Episode 3 looked a little bit too clear too.

BTW: Superbe idea for that DVD, I think everybody on these boards would want to see that, but I think it would be pretty expensive to make.

Dustin Cross · November 12th, 2005, 03:32 PM

I am looking for a little more than just comparing film to F900 I would get from ep1 vs ep3.

I agree this would be a little expensive, but if someone had access to the resources required they should be able to easily make their money back in sales of the DVD or they could use the final product as a marketing tool if their company does digital to film transfer.

John Garcia · December 2nd, 2005, 03:26 PM

dusty... if you need a dvx for testing, just hollar! :) haha...

ill be on the look out for such a dvd as well and if i see anything, ill let you know! :)

- john

November 10th, 2005, 03:36 PM	#1
Dustin Cross Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 133	HD vs Film Aloha, I just got back from AFM and was suprised how important film look was to all the distrubutors. If you are making an indie movie and want to get distribution I recomend you do everything thing you can to make it look like film. Even if you only spend a few grand and the final product is only ever going to be on DVD they want it to look like you shot film. Now my question. Is there anywhere I can get a DVD or see a comparison of footage shot on different formats/cameras, digital and film and see what they look like at the end on standard def DVD to help decide which camera to use for different projects? Basically I would like to see a DVD with the same footage shot from different cameras like: DXV100 24p stock DXV100 24p w/ digital filmlook DXV100 24p 35mm print telecine back to SD XL2 24p stock XL2 24p w/ digital filmlook XL2 24p 35mm print telecine back to SD HD100 24p stock HD100 24p w/ digital filmlook HD100 24p 35mm print telecine back to SD FX1/Z1 60i stock FX1/Z1 60i 3:2 pulldown w/ digital filmlook FX1/Z1 60i 3:2 pulldown 35mm print telecine back to SD FX1/Z1 25p stock FX1/Z1 25p converted to 24p w/digital filmlook FX1/Z1 25p converted to 24p 35mm print telecine back to SD XL H1 24f stock XL H1 24f w/ digital filmlook XL H1 24f 35mm print telecine back to SD XL H1 60i stock XL H1 60i 3:2 pulldown w/ digital filmlook XL H1 60i 3:2 pulldown 35mm print telecine back to SD Varicam 24p stock Varicam 24p w/ digital filmlook Varicam 24p 35mm print telecine back to SD F900 24p stock F900 24p w/ digital filmlook F900 24p 35mm print telecine back to SD 16mm telecine to SD Super 16mm telecine to SD 35mm telecine to SD This would be a great DVD for digital to film transfer places like DVfilm or Digital Film Group to have. I would be willing to pay to see something like this. If anyone knows of such a DVD please let me know or if someone has access to resources to make such a DVD I am interested to know how much it would cost to get you to do it? Mahalo, Dusty __________________ Mahalo, Dusty

November 12th, 2005, 03:32 PM	#4
Dustin Cross Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 133	I am looking for a little more than just comparing film to F900 I would get from ep1 vs ep3. I agree this would be a little expensive, but if someone had access to the resources required they should be able to easily make their money back in sales of the DVD or they could use the final product as a marketing tool if their company does digital to film transfer. __________________ Mahalo, Dusty

December 2nd, 2005, 03:26 PM	#5
John Garcia Regular Crew Join Date: May 2003 Location: Honolulu, Hawaii Posts: 199	dusty... if you need a dvx for testing, just hollar! :) haha... ill be on the look out for such a dvd as well and if i see anything, ill let you know! :) - john __________________ John Garcia

November 10th, 2005, 03:54 PM	#2
Matt Brabender Major Player Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 230	I know it's not exactly what you're after but... Comapre the star wars movies - Episode 1 with Episode 3 Similar style, abliet the latter is a lot darker, but I think you can definately see the difference in the two. Episode 3 is much cleaner - almost too much.

November 12th, 2005, 06:24 AM	#3
Mathieu Ghekiere Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Belgium Posts: 2,195	You mean episode 2 and 3. But indeed, I thought Episode 3 looked a little bit too clear too. BTW: Superbe idea for that DVD, I think everybody on these boards would want to see that, but I think it would be pretty expensive to make.