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Old April 2nd, 2012, 08:01 AM   #31
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Where do you see 10-bit in the FS700 specs? Everywhere else says it's an 8-bit output.

Also, the JVC cam IS under $5,000. It lists at $4,995 at B&H. It records 4 channels of 36mbps AVCHD to make 4K. It can also record regular HD at 1080/60P at 27mbps. Isn't that AVCHD 2.0?
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Old April 2nd, 2012, 02:31 PM   #32
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I don't see a Sony spec for the 3G HD-SDI output. The German is Google translated as "IF."

They also don't say S-log.

The F65 RAW is 10-bit S-log from 16bits off the sensor.

Sony may well define 8-bit RAW for the FS700. It might or might not be S-log. If S-log, it's about equal to 10-bit non-log data.
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Old April 5th, 2012, 07:31 AM   #33
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Also, the JVC cam IS under $5,000. It lists at $4,995 at B&H. It records 4 channels of 36mbps AVCHD to make 4K. It can also record regular HD at 1080/60P at 27mbps. Isn't that AVCHD 2.0?
By under, I'm not talking about LIST at $4995, but a "street price" at B&H closer to $4495. Typically, JVC allows a significant discount. Unless, the MSRP is much higher and B&H uses LIST to mean "their" price.

It does not record AVCHD when in 4K mode. It uses 36Mbps H.264.
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By under, I'm not talking about LIST at $4995, but a "street price" at B&H closer to $4495. Typically, JVC allows a significant discount. Unless, the MSRP is much higher and B&H uses LIST to mean "their" price.

It does not record AVCHD when in 4K mode. It uses 36Mbps H.264.
B&H lists the price at $4,995.
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Ah, gotcha on the 4K. It is H.264/ MPEG4. This is the same codec for their smaller PX10, which also uses the Falconbrid engine. Is it better than AVCHD?
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Old April 5th, 2012, 11:06 AM   #35
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AVCHD is a "brand" of H.264. Likely, JVC could not get AVCHD 2.0 upgraded to 3.0 and include 36Mbps. Or, more likely, they didn't want to, thereby giving them an advantage in bit-rate.

I need to check if 36Mbps uses the same encoding "tools" as does 28Mbps. I would expect it does.

PS: Interesting that 1080p60 edited in FCP X and Shared to BD automatically keeps the frame rate but changes the frame size to 720. Smart. However, export via Compressor and you can create a 1080i30 BD.

I keep being blown away by the PX10 clarity. I expect a 4K version, which would be far more affordable. (JVC showed the PX in case with the HMQ10 at several shows.)
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I keep being blown away by the PX10 clarity. I expect a 4K version, which would be far more affordable. (JVC showed the PX in case with the HMQ10 at several shows.)
Do you have a PX10? I'm interested in getting one. JVC is coming out with the GX1, which has the same size chip as the HMQ10 and PX10, but records in AVCHD 2.0. I like the 300fps record speed, even if it is in SD.
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Old April 5th, 2012, 08:16 PM   #37
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The PX10 is $900. Although I have no real reason for 4K I'd be pi**ed off if I later learn JVC released a 4K version for about $1500.

I only think this might happen is because I saw the PX in the glass case with the HMQ10 at NAB 2011.

But, it must have 4 SD card slots and 4 HDMI's. I not sure I see how these will fit on the PX. So maybe I'm wrong.

But, I have no need to make any decision before NAB.

PS: I note that the PX10 is NOT sold at the JVC store.
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Old April 5th, 2012, 09:46 PM   #38
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The PX10 is $900. Although I have no real reason for 4K I'd be pi**ed off if I later learn JVC released a 4K version for about $1500.

I only think this might happen is because I saw the PX in the glass case with the HMQ10 at NAB 2011.

But, it must have 4 SD card slots and 4 HDMI's. I not sure I see how these will fit on the PX. So maybe I'm wrong.

But, I have no need to make any decision before NAB.

PS: I note that the PX10 is NOT sold at the JVC store.
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It's listed under "HD Memory Cameras," not "Camcorders." JVC considers it a hybrid DSLR-camcorder.
I think it's placed with the HMQ10 under glass because both use the Falconbrid engine.
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Old April 6th, 2012, 05:38 PM   #39
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Re: GY-HMQ10U...Another new cam from JVC

Did you actually try to buy one from the shop? When I try, it sends to a list of on-line dealers.
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Oh no. If i do buy one, it will be from one of our SITE SPONSORS!
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Old April 6th, 2012, 06:10 PM   #41
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I mean did you follow the link? It only leads to a list of on-line sellers. No JVC Cart. It's not IN the JVC store.
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Old April 10th, 2012, 12:29 AM   #42
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Re: GY-HMQ10U...Another new cam from JVC

JVC has posted the HMQ10's utility. Alas, not a single sample. And, I can't ger the UL sample to work because it doesn't -- I think -- have the right folder structure with thumbnail.

OT -- I've been watching many 16mm/Super8 transfers to HD -- while thinking at going back to film with a cheap film camera. You can buy fantastic film cameras -- cheap.

Oddly, my reaction is that -- except for Tri-X with it's wonderful grain -- the old days weren't so great. Yes, the cameras were totally manually which I long for. But, there is NO detail unless one chooses certain Super8 camcorders and film stock. Switching to 16mm helps -- as expected -- but gets expensive.

Perhaps because I used to shoot Tri-X for photos and movies -- I'm tempted to say there are conceptually two "modes" -- non-realism (shoot Super8 film and xfer to HD) or realism (shoot 1080p60 with a PX10 or 2160p60).

Buying a film grain package is an option. :)
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Old May 14th, 2012, 02:38 PM   #43
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Re: GY-HMQ10U...Another new cam from JVC

A short sample from JVC HMQ10E (record 1080/50i), 3:50 min.

http://www.videoproduce.cz/images/JV...i_test_50i.m2t (640MB)

(normal gamma, gain 0/6/12dB and some color correction)
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Old May 17th, 2012, 04:35 AM   #44
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New version of the JVC HMQ10E's footages with color levels ITU 709 on youtube.

test 4K kamery JVC HMQ10E (record 1080/50i), úrovn? barev pro TV (ITU 709) - YouTube
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Old May 17th, 2012, 09:36 PM   #45
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Re: GY-HMQ10U...Another new cam from JVC

You could have had even better result shooting in Quad-1080/50p (4k) mode. Still the best looking interlaced clip I've seen on YouTube. Excellent camera for the money.
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