Sony HXRMC1

Alister Chapman · April 10th, 2009, 04:15 AM

Wow, we would never be allowed to disrupt the airflow across the exterior of an aircraft like that here in the UK. There was a crash a few years back caused by a mini cam that was mounted to an aircraft fuselage. The small camera was enough to disrupt the smooth airflow over the tail which led to the loss of control of the plane during a stunt routine. Be careful, aircraft and airflows are fickle things!

Nice shot though, shame the camera doesn't have a wider lens, the Sony adapter just isn't wide enough in my opinion. I'm using some nice 0.45x adapters that have minimal distortion on my MC1's. I think a wider shot would have shown more background which would have enhanced the sense of motion.

Trevor Meeks · April 10th, 2009, 06:26 AM

Completely agree on the wide angle, but the shot doesn't bother me as-is. We chose solid mounting over super-wide shots. That being said, can you direct me to the 0.45x adapters and maybe where to get them here in the US?

As far as airflow disruption goes, I have a lot of experience mounting cameras on aircraft - it's something I've done quite a bit of, and I have a good understanding of what will and won't affect an aircraft like this. The pitts has a lot of "junk" hanging off of it to begin with, and this camera was mounted in front of the canopy, which is obviously in front of the tail a good bit. Even then, the MC1 has a very low profile, as did our mount, so airflow disruption and/or tail stalling was of no concern to us or the pilot, who also has lots of experience with camera mounting.

Thanks for the feedback, much appreciated.

Trevor Meeks · April 12th, 2009, 05:36 AM

New footage up! Obviously Vimeo does not do this justice, but you get the idea.... HD Aerobatics at Tutima Academy on Vimeo

Eric Stemen · April 12th, 2009, 10:40 PM

Wow, thank you for posting this. I didn't notice any rolling shutter effect from the POV cam. If I had the money I think I would choose this over the EX1....it seems like this camera offers a much wider range of possibilities for unique shots. I wish the lens was a little wider, and that it had a more iris blades instead of what I assume to be four blades....but that is just personal preference.

Trevor Meeks · April 12th, 2009, 10:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eric Stemen

Wow, thank you for posting this. I didn't notice any rolling shutter effect from the POV cam. If I had the money I think I would choose this over the EX1....it seems like this camera offers a much wider range of possibilities for unique shots. I wish the lens was a little wider, and that it had a more iris blades instead of what I assume to be four blades....but that is just personal preference.

The image quality is definitely insane, but I would not consider it to be an alternative to the EX1. I have an EX1 and I would not let it go for anything else, although working with these two cameras now certainly has me hooked, and I may just have to buy my own MC1 at some point if I'm doing enough of this work and it seems like a logical investment.

Enjoy!

Swen Goebbels · April 20th, 2009, 09:44 PM

Think the Sony product has a different traget compared to the Panasonic cam. I also like to buy one of these cams and today I had first time the chance to see the Panasonic package. So when you compare it to Sony it doesn't look to be so perfect for extremsports, where a it can get a little bit dirty or also water will be the problem.

Also the Panasonic recorder and camera is bigger than the Sony product. So I think I'll chose the Sony for the stuff I'm filming, but I love the fact that the Panasonic can record 720p60.... so I think everybody has to decide what he needs. For a helmet camera Sony will do a better job.

Steve Connor · August 11th, 2009, 03:06 PM

Some in-cockpit Mustang footage shot with HXRMC1's, simply the best minicam I've ever seen.

YouTube - The Horsemen at Flying Legends 2009

Paul Cronin · August 14th, 2009, 09:05 AM

Are you able to Log and Transfer the MC1 into FC using Pro res with this camera? I am close to buying but want to make sure this works. I am on FCS 6.0.6.

Recently I purchased the Sony XR500V and the footage will not import into FC properly. So I have to use iMovie and move the clips into FC as their own sequence which is far from ideal.

Steve Connor · August 14th, 2009, 09:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Cronin

Are you able to Log and Transfer the MC1 into FC using Pro res with this camera? I am close to buying but want to make sure this works. I am on FCS 6.0.6.

Yes you can

Paul Cronin · August 14th, 2009, 09:20 AM

Thank you Steve that is great news.

Paul Cronin · August 18th, 2009, 05:09 AM

What wide angle are people using with the MC1 to increase the field of view?

Trevor Meeks · August 18th, 2009, 10:18 PM

Paul, we are using this: the Sony | VCL-HG0730A 30mm 0.7x High Grade Wide Angle | VCL-HG0730A

Paul Cronin · August 19th, 2009, 06:27 AM

Thanks Trevor,

Have you tried anything wider?

Still trying to figure out a housing for the camera head to be on a pole cheap.

April 10th, 2009, 04:15 AM	#16
Alister Chapman Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Bracknell, Berkshire, UK Posts: 4,957	Wow, we would never be allowed to disrupt the airflow across the exterior of an aircraft like that here in the UK. There was a crash a few years back caused by a mini cam that was mounted to an aircraft fuselage. The small camera was enough to disrupt the smooth airflow over the tail which led to the loss of control of the plane during a stunt routine. Be careful, aircraft and airflows are fickle things! Nice shot though, shame the camera doesn't have a wider lens, the Sony adapter just isn't wide enough in my opinion. I'm using some nice 0.45x adapters that have minimal distortion on my MC1's. I think a wider shot would have shown more background which would have enhanced the sense of motion. __________________ Alister Chapman, Film-Maker/Stormchaser http://www.xdcam-user.com/alisters-blog/ My XDCAM site and blog. http://www.hurricane-rig.com

August 14th, 2009, 09:05 AM	#23
Paul Cronin Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Rhode Island Posts: 4,048	Are you able to Log and Transfer the MC1 into FC using Pro res with this camera? I am close to buying but want to make sure this works. I am on FCS 6.0.6. Recently I purchased the Sony XR500V and the footage will not import into FC properly. So I have to use iMovie and move the clips into FC as their own sequence which is far from ideal. __________________ Paul Cronin www.paulcroninstudios.com

August 14th, 2009, 09:20 AM	#25
Paul Cronin Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Rhode Island Posts: 4,048	Thank you Steve that is great news. __________________ Paul Cronin www.paulcroninstudios.com

August 18th, 2009, 05:09 AM	#26
Paul Cronin Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Rhode Island Posts: 4,048	What wide angle are people using with the MC1 to increase the field of view? __________________ Paul Cronin www.paulcroninstudios.com

August 19th, 2009, 06:27 AM	#28
Paul Cronin Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Rhode Island Posts: 4,048	Thanks Trevor, Have you tried anything wider? Still trying to figure out a housing for the camera head to be on a pole cheap. __________________ Paul Cronin www.paulcroninstudios.com

April 10th, 2009, 06:26 AM	#17
Trevor Meeks Major Player Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Sonoma, CA Posts: 336	Completely agree on the wide angle, but the shot doesn't bother me as-is. We chose solid mounting over super-wide shots. That being said, can you direct me to the 0.45x adapters and maybe where to get them here in the US? As far as airflow disruption goes, I have a lot of experience mounting cameras on aircraft - it's something I've done quite a bit of, and I have a good understanding of what will and won't affect an aircraft like this. The pitts has a lot of "junk" hanging off of it to begin with, and this camera was mounted in front of the canopy, which is obviously in front of the tail a good bit. Even then, the MC1 has a very low profile, as did our mount, so airflow disruption and/or tail stalling was of no concern to us or the pilot, who also has lots of experience with camera mounting. Thanks for the feedback, much appreciated.

April 12th, 2009, 05:36 AM	#18
Trevor Meeks Major Player Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Sonoma, CA Posts: 336	New footage up! Obviously Vimeo does not do this justice, but you get the idea.... HD Aerobatics at Tutima Academy on Vimeo

April 12th, 2009, 10:40 PM	#19
Eric Stemen Major Player Join Date: May 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 378	Wow, thank you for posting this. I didn't notice any rolling shutter effect from the POV cam. If I had the money I think I would choose this over the EX1....it seems like this camera offers a much wider range of possibilities for unique shots. I wish the lens was a little wider, and that it had a more iris blades instead of what I assume to be four blades....but that is just personal preference.

April 20th, 2009, 09:44 PM	#21
Swen Goebbels Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Aachen, Germany and Las Vegas NV Posts: 107	Think the Sony product has a different traget compared to the Panasonic cam. I also like to buy one of these cams and today I had first time the chance to see the Panasonic package. So when you compare it to Sony it doesn't look to be so perfect for extremsports, where a it can get a little bit dirty or also water will be the problem. Also the Panasonic recorder and camera is bigger than the Sony product. So I think I'll chose the Sony for the stuff I'm filming, but I love the fact that the Panasonic can record 720p60.... so I think everybody has to decide what he needs. For a helmet camera Sony will do a better job.

August 11th, 2009, 03:06 PM	#22
Steve Connor Major Player Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: UK Posts: 383	Some in-cockpit Mustang footage shot with HXRMC1's, simply the best minicam I've ever seen. YouTube - The Horsemen at Flying Legends 2009

August 18th, 2009, 10:18 PM	#27
Trevor Meeks Major Player Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Sonoma, CA Posts: 336	Paul, we are using this: the Sony \| VCL-HG0730A 30mm 0.7x High Grade Wide Angle \| VCL-HG0730A