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Old August 23rd, 2010, 10:59 AM   #1
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New HPX3100 P2 camera due in October

PANASONIC ANNOUNCES AJ-HPX3100 P2 HD CAMCORDER
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Old August 23rd, 2010, 11:27 AM   #2
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Thanks Gary, I was wondering if this was going to be something Earth-shattering, but it's pretty mundane, just a marginal upgrade of the 3000.
Something like a 3000 but with 720P option would have been interesting, allowing 60P or 1080 depending on your needs.
Oh well.
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Old August 23rd, 2010, 12:16 PM   #3
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Maybe it has that fantastic new noise filter as fitted to the 371 :)

Must admit I too thought that it was just an updated 3000 but could it be that it will be below $20,000 ?

Let the speculation begin!
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Old August 23rd, 2010, 04:34 PM   #4
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........ it's pretty mundane, just a marginal upgrade of the 3000.
Something like a 3000 but with 720P option would have been interesting, allowing 60P or 1080 depending on your needs.
Well, don't let's dismiss it just yet. The press release says :
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"The camcorder supports multi-format HD capability as well as SD, DVCPRO50, DVCPRO and DV recording......"
The question being exactly what "multi-format HD capability" means? 720 and 1080 recording? Or just a choice of framerates?

The press release seems to NOT say more than it says. Price? And - "offers a number of improvements over its predecessor - but is it's successor the 3000, or the 2100? Is an upgrade to the 3100 - or a replacement for the 2100, with 2 megapixel chips?
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Old August 23rd, 2010, 04:54 PM   #5
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It's like an HPX3000 in an HPX370 body. It's 8.6 lbs lighter than the 3000!
2.2 megapixel 2/3" CCD chips, multiple HD and SD formats, AVC-intra codec, 10-bit/4:2:2 sampling stuffed into the body of a 1/3" CMOS cam? I like it! I hope it's affordable enough to trade in my HPX500.
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Old August 23rd, 2010, 05:07 PM   #6
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With Panny's recent record I'd be a little careful until you find out just how they've achieved these miracles - maybe this 3.6kg and 23% power saving come at a cost.
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Old August 23rd, 2010, 10:12 PM   #7
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Looks like 1080 and 480 only, no 720. It touts a S/N ratio of 59db "with DNR on", so it would be interesting to compare this DNR to the HPX370 DNR. If the 3100 is less than $20K, including VF, it would seem to be an interesting camera vs. HPX300/370(albeit for more money, especially is lens is extra), Sony 350 XDCAM EX 2/3" camera, natural replacement for the HPX500 and competitor to the HPX2000/2700. It would certainly give me pause about buying a 3000/3700.

Too bad about no 720P and looks like it has limited off-speed frame rates, most likely no overcranking, same as the 3000/3700.

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Old August 23rd, 2010, 10:33 PM   #8
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what's DNR?
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Old August 24th, 2010, 01:21 AM   #9
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The 720 - 50p is not nessasary - if it just had 1080- 50P. If they can put it into a small consumer camera then why not in the broadcast line.

http://pro-av.panasonic.net/en/sales.../index.html#p2
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Old August 24th, 2010, 01:27 AM   #10
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Where is the HD format specs to prove that their is no 720p modes?
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what's DNR?
Digital Noise Reduction would be my interpretation. They might also call it Dynamic Noise Reduction
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Old August 24th, 2010, 09:53 AM   #12
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One thing that baffles me, how can this camera be 3.9kg lighter than its predecessor? The HPX3000 only weighed 4.8kg, so is this one only 900g?
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HPX3100 weighs 3.9kg, not 3.9kg lighter than 3000/3700. Color or B&W viewfinder is extra, ditto proxy board and wireless metadata, the latter of which is still under development. Power consumption is 23% less than HPX3000. No 720P modes are shown, just 1080, 576 and 480.

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Old August 25th, 2010, 10:27 AM   #14
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Yes Jeff, it's obviously a big fat typo on the Panny site!

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Old August 25th, 2010, 11:59 AM   #15
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Power consumption is 23% less than HPX3000.
Hmm. I think the 3000 is rated at 43watts without LCD screen etc, so this still makes the 3100 about 33 watts. I'm not sure that "23% less than HPX3000" is the same as "23% less power than conventional 2/3 3CCD camcorders". (The wording in the press release.)
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No 720P modes are shown, just 1080, 576 and 480.
Which again squares very badly with the press release wording - "The camcorder supports multi-format HD capability as well as SD....." How can 1080 only be described as "multi-format HD capability"?

It remains to be seen what the camera is like - and how much it will cost - but it's a pretty badly written press release.
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