B & W Music Video w/Daryl Hannah at DVinfo.net

Jeff Donald · January 11th, 2003, 05:56 AM

This is one of the best B & W music videos I've seen on the web. Beautifully photographed and edited. http://www.emichrysalis.co.uk/mailer...scapology.html

Jeff

Paul Sedillo · January 11th, 2003, 06:54 AM

Wow! How did you come across this little gem?

Jeff Donald · January 11th, 2003, 07:12 AM

It's a QuickTime movie, so I received an announcement from Apple.

Jeff

Ken Tanaka · January 15th, 2003, 12:45 AM

This is a gorgeous video. I'm not sure that I would get the storyline solely from watching it but who the heck cares. One heckuva lot of shots in that little piece. I wonder how long it took to shoot, what they used, yadda, yadda, yadda.

Seeing Daryl Hannah at middle-age makes me feel very old.

Robert Knecht Schmidt · January 15th, 2003, 01:27 AM

I get a "Failed to load" error.

Rob Lohman · January 15th, 2003, 05:20 AM

Works fine here!

Robert Knecht Schmidt · January 15th, 2003, 07:52 AM

Yeah, got it working. This wasn't shot on DV, though. And, as it says, the B&W was achieved in post. (Poor cinematographer, having all his hard work deconstructed.)

Rob Lohman · January 15th, 2003, 08:04 AM

Robert,

Yes, it was shot in color. I don't know if it is a poort DP. Why? If
they did it correctly the DP was there when they converted it
to black & white. Since you have a little bit more control over that
process in Post now-a-days I think it makes sense to do it in
post, especially if you have your DP/cinematographer sit in! I'm
also assuming here that he or she shot the pictures with the
B&W process in mind.

Just my two euros

Simon Plissi · January 15th, 2003, 10:01 AM

The cinematography may be fine but I thought the editing and video in general was very mediocre. Maybe it has something to do with watching Robbie Williams pretend he's rancher. I'm not a fan of his music anyway.

However, what did impress me was the QT interface that gets loaded. Diffinately one of the best ones I've see.

Lucky sod, he gets to snog Daryl Hannah.

[Edit: just seen the colour clips. I think it looks better this way.]

Robert Knecht Schmidt · January 15th, 2003, 02:09 PM

"If they did it correctly the DP was there when they converted it to black & white. Since you have a little bit more control over that process in Post now-a-days I think it makes sense to do it in post, especially if you have your DP/cinematographer sit in!"

Well, I'm not a cinematographer, but as I understand it, when you're shooting B&W you want to light for B&W, and it's a whole new ballgame. This was the basis for the outrage over Turner's colorization of many classic B&W films--they weren't photographed for color.

Performing digital timing (color correction) in post is an efficient use of resources, but completely desaturating the film can be dangerous if the cinematographer doesn't have this in mind from the beginning.

I'm not saying the digital post artists didn't do a good job on the processing. The color version looks great; the B&W version also looks great. But I would hate to be the shut-out cinematographer who does great color work only to see my work undone when I see the video on VH1.

Rob Lohman · January 15th, 2003, 05:40 PM

Very true ofcourse Robert!! I'm all ball for including everyone and
don't "destroying" anyone's precious work!

January 11th, 2003, 05:56 AM	#1
Jeff Donald Warden Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Clearwater, FL Posts: 8,287	B & W Music Video w/Daryl Hannah This is one of the best B & W music videos I've seen on the web. Beautifully photographed and edited. http://www.emichrysalis.co.uk/mailer...scapology.html Jeff

January 11th, 2003, 06:54 AM	#2
Paul Sedillo Major Player Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 607	Wow! How did you come across this little gem? __________________ Paul Sedillo Image::Studio http://www.image-studio.com Houston, Texas

January 15th, 2003, 12:45 AM	#4
Ken Tanaka Retired DV Info Net Almunus Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 6,943	This is a gorgeous video. I'm not sure that I would get the storyline solely from watching it but who the heck cares. One heckuva lot of shots in that little piece. I wonder how long it took to shoot, what they used, yadda, yadda, yadda. Seeing Daryl Hannah at middle-age makes me feel very old. __________________ Lady X Films: A lady with a boring wardrobe...and a global mission. Hey, you don't have enough stuff! Buy with confidence from our sponsors. Hand-picked as the best in the business...Really! See some of my work one frame at a time: www.KenTanaka.com

January 15th, 2003, 01:27 AM	#5
Robert Knecht Schmidt Wrangler Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Cleveland, Ohio Posts: 1,933	I get a "Failed to load" error. __________________ All the best, Robert K S Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| The best in the business: DVinfo.net sponsors

January 15th, 2003, 05:20 AM	#6
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	Works fine here! __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

January 11th, 2003, 07:12 AM	#3
Jeff Donald Warden Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Clearwater, FL Posts: 8,287	It's a QuickTime movie, so I received an announcement from Apple. Jeff

January 15th, 2003, 07:52 AM	#7
Robert Knecht Schmidt Wrangler Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Cleveland, Ohio Posts: 1,933	Yeah, got it working. This wasn't shot on DV, though. And, as it says, the B&W was achieved in post. (Poor cinematographer, having all his hard work deconstructed.) __________________ All the best, Robert K S Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| The best in the business: DVinfo.net sponsors

January 15th, 2003, 08:04 AM	#8
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	Robert, Yes, it was shot in color. I don't know if it is a poort DP. Why? If they did it correctly the DP was there when they converted it to black & white. Since you have a little bit more control over that process in Post now-a-days I think it makes sense to do it in post, especially if you have your DP/cinematographer sit in! I'm also assuming here that he or she shot the pictures with the B&W process in mind. Just my two euros __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

January 15th, 2003, 10:01 AM	#9
Simon Plissi Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: London, UK Posts: 105	The cinematography may be fine but I thought the editing and video in general was very mediocre. Maybe it has something to do with watching Robbie Williams pretend he's rancher. I'm not a fan of his music anyway. However, what did impress me was the QT interface that gets loaded. Diffinately one of the best ones I've see. Lucky sod, he gets to snog Daryl Hannah. [Edit: just seen the colour clips. I think it looks better this way.]

January 15th, 2003, 02:09 PM	#10
Robert Knecht Schmidt Wrangler Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Cleveland, Ohio Posts: 1,933	"If they did it correctly the DP was there when they converted it to black & white. Since you have a little bit more control over that process in Post now-a-days I think it makes sense to do it in post, especially if you have your DP/cinematographer sit in!" Well, I'm not a cinematographer, but as I understand it, when you're shooting B&W you want to light for B&W, and it's a whole new ballgame. This was the basis for the outrage over Turner's colorization of many classic B&W films--they weren't photographed for color. Performing digital timing (color correction) in post is an efficient use of resources, but completely desaturating the film can be dangerous if the cinematographer doesn't have this in mind from the beginning. I'm not saying the digital post artists didn't do a good job on the processing. The color version looks great; the B&W version also looks great. But I would hate to be the shut-out cinematographer who does great color work only to see my work undone when I see the video on VH1. __________________ All the best, Robert K S Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| The best in the business: DVinfo.net sponsors

January 15th, 2003, 05:40 PM	#11
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	Very true ofcourse Robert!! I'm all ball for including everyone and don't "destroying" anyone's precious work! __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors