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Old June 24th, 2007, 06:13 AM   #1
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Recovering material ?!

Hello,

does anyone of you have experience with recovering data shot on an XDCAM? Is it possible to do that? I mean, this hasnīt ever happened to me so far but unfortunately it did happen by mistake very recently for the first time (disk wasnīt "saved" on location, and was formatted by mistake). On the PDF located at http://www.sonybiz.net/res/attachmen...7924780833.pdf it says that "Sony offers an unbeatable combination of
innovation, quality and compatibility plus of course
unrivalled technical support, such as media recovery
in case of accidental operational mistake." So maybe thereīs a way of getting data back somehow. I already wrote a message to Sony Technical Support but thought that maybe somebody on this forum has experience with that. Maybe thereīs even software around to recover MXF data? I already had a look but couldnīt find something suitable.

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Old June 24th, 2007, 07:04 PM   #2
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The short answer is no, there's nothing available to us mere mortals for data recovery, especially from formatting the disc.

Sony may be able to recover it, but they told me it would be very costly to implement. The robust data recovery alluded to in the marketing material refers mainly to the error correction capability to guard against corrupted data, not stuff that's been erased.

I'm sorry because I know that's not the answer you wanted to hear.

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Old June 25th, 2007, 02:45 AM   #3
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Hi Emanuel ,

since you have nothing to loose:

The formatting process is very fast - so initially it erases only the directory - but not the data itself.

I am not sure if itīs possibly, but have a try to run a disc recovery program over your disk (via FAM). Hi had luck to recover a (quick) formatted harddrive - perhaps it works with the disc either?

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Old June 25th, 2007, 06:34 AM   #4
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Hi Uli,

thanks a lot for that. I did try several recovery programs, but most of them canīt read the prodisc filesystem iīm afraid. Which program were you using?
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Old June 28th, 2007, 12:07 AM   #5
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Hi ,

I never tried myself, but thought if the PC can access the drive there should be a method of running those programs.

Iīve used different programs to restore Harddrive data - so it should work with the disc if the access is there.

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Old June 28th, 2007, 10:20 AM   #6
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You could try a specialist data recovery company. They can usually recover anything if it is not completely erased. In Australia they are very expensive though. And of course being a proprietary file system no guarantees, but definitely worth a try.
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Old June 28th, 2007, 10:34 AM   #7
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Sony may be able to recover it, but they told me it would be very costly to implement.
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No doubt you are correct Greg, but if XDCam HD is here to stay (and I think it is) then a universal recovery program that can be supplied to end users would seem a small ask for a company like Sony.

This is just my opinion - I think it is something Sony should give careful consideration to. Apart from "accidental" formatting, let's not forget this is a computer file system (albeit a robust one) and therefore could be corrupted by misfortune.

One thing's for sure - if something can go wrong, it will!
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Old June 28th, 2007, 10:14 PM   #8
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Apart from "accidental" formatting, let's not forget this is a computer file system (albeit a robust one) and therefore could be corrupted by misfortune.

One thing's for sure - if something can go wrong, it will!
Quite right, John. And on that point, Sony is already ahead of you. There is a fie recovery menu on the camera that will attempt to recover corrupted data. But nothing to get it back once you delete it. Deleting clips is only possible by deliberate menu confirmation. One way to prevent accidental formatting, is to use the write inhibit tab on the disc itself. Same feature as floppy discs and SD cards.

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Old July 27th, 2007, 06:31 PM   #9
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it is possible. I am on the way of recovering my client's ProDisk. Will reply u in 4-5 days to let u know a result.
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Old July 28th, 2007, 05:00 AM   #10
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Thatīs great. Thanks a lot.
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Old April 28th, 2012, 11:02 AM   #11
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Re: Recovering material ?!

Hi.

This is an old thread and i have same situation today. We formatted a Sony Professional Disc by accident. Is there any way to recover ? (Sony PDW-700)

thanks to all for this thread.
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Old May 5th, 2012, 05:59 PM   #12
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Re: Recovering material ?!

I still havenīt found a way. Sent the disk to Sony specialist labs all over the world - that was back in 2007. However, I was then told they couldnīt recover anything off the disk. Maybe there are ways to recover data today?!
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Old May 10th, 2012, 08:57 AM   #13
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Re: Recovering material ?!

Hello,

Yes, it's possible.

If you still have a copy of the disc (file, disk image, ...), I think that you should try to read the files with Treasured: Treasured • Tool for Video Diagnostic and Repair )
-- or -- with web-based video diagnostics tool: http://mp4repair.org

This must be important footage if you are still behind a repair 5 years later!

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Old May 13th, 2012, 11:57 PM   #14
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Re: Recovering material ?!

Benoit, can you really conform you tested that with a professional disk?!?!?!?

Afaik (and i am deep into sony) there is no way for windows or mac drivers to look "behind" the official content table of the disk - so it wont see data packages that have been deleted or formatted.

If you have further informations, that would be helpful.

At the moment, the best way is to send the PD Disk to Sony Belgium (contact: Chris Branthegem, Sony Product Specialist), they need roughly 2-3 days to recover a formatted disk, afaik its free , but they only use SONY Disks, no Service for TDK etc.

I have to use the service myself now, there is a bug in PDW-U1 firmware 3.0.0 that can cause unreadable disks (no read in U1 NOR read in F700/330 etc.!!!!!)

Now I have 2 x 50GB that i copied into the PC and cant be accessed anymore. I will send it to Sony Belgium.

PLEASE update U1 to 3.1.1 as fast as possible.

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Old May 30th, 2012, 02:54 AM   #15
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Re: Recovering material ?!

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Afaik (and i am deep into sony) there is no way for windows or mac drivers to look "behind" the official content table of the disk - so it wont see data packages that have been deleted or formatted.
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If you create a disk image of your Sony disc (using Disk Utility on Mac, options not compressed, not encrypted), then you can use Treasured "DeepMediaScan" (Disk > Open damaged disk... and select disk image) and read all raw data on the disc, even deleted one.

Update: Link to several methods to read disc or create disk image:
http://aeroquartet.com/movierepair/m...damaged%20disk
http://aeroquartet.com/movierepair/disk%20utility

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