No rez difference between 24p & 60i at DVinfo.net

Steve Mullen · October 17th, 2006, 01:32 AM

I captured a clip where I switched from 60i 360-degree shutter and 240 216-degree. So I had two side by side frames.

Used Liquid's super HQ 2D editor to blow-up these two frames by 400%.

No difference I can see!

If someone posts how to post them -- I'll do so. But I won't say which is which.

Tony Tremble · October 17th, 2006, 02:27 AM

What about 30p though?

TT

Gints Klimanis · October 17th, 2006, 02:28 AM

Hey Steve,

If you send the pix to me, I'll host them on my FTP space.

gints@att.net

Oh, and thanks for that Sony HDV eBook. It helped me with deciding that the Sony Z1U was the right choice for me.

Chris Hurd · October 17th, 2006, 12:17 PM

Sorry, didn't see this until just now.

Steve -- when you submit a post, look below the message input block and the submit reply button and you'll see an "Additional Options" box. There should be a "Manage Attachments" button. Click that and it'll open a file / image uploading tool. When your images are posted (standard photo formats such as jpg, png etc., they'll appear as 320x240 size thumbnails which can be clicked to show the full-size versions.

Or you can go to our Image Gallery at http://www.dvinfo.net/gallery and post them there -- your choice.

Steve Mullen · October 17th, 2006, 07:53 PM

Hi Chris,

Thank you -- I never scrolled down to find the obvious.

Here are four pix. We'll see if folks can tell which is which.

Obviously, these have all been JPEG compressed to meet site requirements so any attempt to judge original image quality is ruled-out. The point is simple -- can you see a rez difference.

Great to talk with you at the Atlanta seminar.

Stuart Brontman · October 17th, 2006, 09:10 PM

I can't see one... I'm viewing on a laptop, but even so, no visible difference to me...

Chris Hurd · October 17th, 2006, 09:59 PM

Steve, are you sure that the uploader won't allow full 1920x1080 size images? I thought I had properly configured the file attachment conditionals but maybe I got them wrong... what happens when you try to attach full size shots? I'll go back and set a larger file size as well.

Likewise, it was very good to see you in Atlanta and I hope we can catch up with each other again soon.

Duane Prince · October 17th, 2006, 10:19 PM

..I would guess the photo on the right has a ever so slight higher rez, & this a subjective viewpoint , on a 17" 1280x1024 LCD monitor....

Steve Mullen · October 17th, 2006, 10:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Hurd

Steve, are you sure that the uploader won't allow full 1920x1080 size images? I thought I had properly configured the file attachment conditionals but maybe I got them wrong... what happens when you try to attach full size shots? I'll go back and set a larger file size as well.

Likewise, it was very good to see you in Atlanta and I hope we can catch up with each other again soon.

HI -- my photos should be 1440x1076 which is what came from Liquid. Are they smaller?

I could not upload TIFF.

Adam Palomer · October 17th, 2006, 10:38 PM

#1 is interlaced
#2 is progressive

Did I get that right?

Ben Winter · October 17th, 2006, 11:42 PM

60i 360 vs 24p 216 400-percent 1.jpg looks like 60i?

Frank Hool · October 17th, 2006, 11:56 PM

Which camcorder it actually is? 24p is Cineframe?

Floris van Eck · October 18th, 2006, 01:26 AM

They are talking about the V1. That's the title of this forum. So no cineframe, but 24p done by the camera.

Steve Mullen · October 18th, 2006, 04:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adam Palomer

#1 is interlaced
#2 is progressive

Did I get that right?

Are you countng left to right?

Piotr Wozniacki · October 18th, 2006, 04:49 AM

Sorry guys, I do follow when you speak about "left" or "right" - let's use the actual filenames, please...Or the numebrs 1,2,3,4 as per the order they're listed in Steve's post.

October 17th, 2006, 12:17 PM	#4
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,366 Images: 513	Sorry, didn't see this until just now. Steve -- when you submit a post, look below the message input block and the submit reply button and you'll see an "Additional Options" box. There should be a "Manage Attachments" button. Click that and it'll open a file / image uploading tool. When your images are posted (standard photo formats such as jpg, png etc., they'll appear as 320x240 size thumbnails which can be clicked to show the full-size versions. Or you can go to our Image Gallery at http://www.dvinfo.net/gallery and post them there -- your choice. __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

October 17th, 2006, 07:53 PM	#5
Steve Mullen HDV Cinema Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 4,007	Hi Chris, Thank you -- I never scrolled down to find the obvious. Here are four pix. We'll see if folks can tell which is which. Obviously, these have all been JPEG compressed to meet site requirements so any attempt to judge original image quality is ruled-out. The point is simple -- can you see a rez difference. Great to talk with you at the Atlanta seminar. Attached Thumbnails __________________ Switcher's Quick Guide to the Avid Media Composer >>> http://home.mindspring.com/~d-v-c Last edited by Steve Mullen; October 17th, 2006 at 08:29 PM.

October 17th, 2006, 09:59 PM	#7
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,366 Images: 513	Steve, are you sure that the uploader won't allow full 1920x1080 size images? I thought I had properly configured the file attachment conditionals but maybe I got them wrong... what happens when you try to attach full size shots? I'll go back and set a larger file size as well. Likewise, it was very good to see you in Atlanta and I hope we can catch up with each other again soon. __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

October 17th, 2006, 10:19 PM	#8
Duane Prince Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: central AZ. Posts: 36	..I would guess the photo on the right has a ever so slight higher rez, & this a subjective viewpoint , on a 17" 1280x1024 LCD monitor.... __________________ tumbleweed

October 17th, 2006, 11:42 PM	#11
Ben Winter Trustee Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 1,675 Images: 1	60i 360 vs 24p 216 400-percent 1.jpg looks like 60i? __________________ BenWinter.com

October 17th, 2006, 01:32 AM	#1
Steve Mullen HDV Cinema Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 4,007	No rez difference between 24p & 60i I captured a clip where I switched from 60i 360-degree shutter and 240 216-degree. So I had two side by side frames. Used Liquid's super HQ 2D editor to blow-up these two frames by 400%. No difference I can see! If someone posts how to post them -- I'll do so. But I won't say which is which. __________________ Switcher's Quick Guide to the Avid Media Composer >>> http://home.mindspring.com/~d-v-c

October 17th, 2006, 02:27 AM	#2
Tony Tremble Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 451	What about 30p though? TT

October 17th, 2006, 02:28 AM	#3
Gints Klimanis Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 2,222	Hey Steve, If you send the pix to me, I'll host them on my FTP space. gints@att.net Oh, and thanks for that Sony HDV eBook. It helped me with deciding that the Sony Z1U was the right choice for me.

October 17th, 2006, 09:10 PM	#6
Stuart Brontman Contributor Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 228	I can't see one... I'm viewing on a laptop, but even so, no visible difference to me...

October 17th, 2006, 10:38 PM	#10
Adam Palomer Regular Crew Join Date: May 2006 Location: Summit, NJ Posts: 169	#1 is interlaced #2 is progressive Did I get that right?

October 17th, 2006, 11:56 PM	#12
Frank Hool Major Player Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Barca Spain Posts: 384	Which camcorder it actually is? 24p is Cineframe?

October 18th, 2006, 01:26 AM	#13
Floris van Eck Major Player Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 993	They are talking about the V1. That's the title of this forum. So no cineframe, but 24p done by the camera.

October 18th, 2006, 04:49 AM	#15
Piotr Wozniacki Inner Circle Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Poland Posts: 4,086	Sorry guys, I do follow when you speak about "left" or "right" - let's use the actual filenames, please...Or the numebrs 1,2,3,4 as per the order they're listed in Steve's post.