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Old May 8th, 2005, 07:43 PM   #16
 
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"No more needed than DV, unless you use a system that converts to an intermediate codec."

Only a masochist would attempt to edit m2t files. Of course you can....Frankly this is why we created Gearshift, so folks can edit DV proxies, and then exchange the proxies for either an m2t file, a Cineform file, or a 4:2:2 YUV file if you're going to go SD/SDI or HD/SDI in Sony Vegas.
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Old May 8th, 2005, 09:34 PM   #17
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"Only a masochist would attempt to edit m2t files."

I believe Liquid Edition already allows you to edit m2t files directly, and I don't think the Edition users I know are masochists. Similarly, Avid are promising direct m2t editing in a few months, and doesn't Final Cut also support it now?

Are all those users really masochists?
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Old May 8th, 2005, 10:53 PM   #18
 
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They're not editing m2t directly. They're editing an intermediate format in the background.
Do a little research, you'll almost immediately learn that m2t does NOT edit well, aside from the fact that a hardware decoder is fairly requisite. I use Edition when I have to, I also use Canopus, (I just finished authoring their Edius HDV training series) Premiere, Vegas, and FCP 5. Trust me when I say that you do not want to, at any point in time, be authoring/editing directly with transport streams. Just because you don't see a conversion taking place doesn't mean it's not happening.
Have you edited m2t streams yet? If not, you're in for a big surprise.
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Old May 9th, 2005, 06:25 AM   #19
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Hello,

from an amateurs point of view, editing HDV on a „normal“ Multimedia - PC is „doable“. I for myself edited my first HDV movie (25 min duration) on such a system. At this time a had „only“ 300 GB HDD, 512 MB – Ram and a 2.2 GHz Athlon prozessor. I used Vegas 5d and Connect HD. Of course there are limitations. Especially if You get more and more takes on the timeline the system got quite slow. So I worked with segments. As an amateur You can afford to do this. Usually You got no deadline, so speed of the workflow or rendering times aren‘t the main concern. So I see no „urgent“ need to upgrade the editing hardware (but I recommend it..) First thing is to get a decent camera and do some shooting.
I decided to buy a FX1e because I „needed“ ( or „wanted“, for an amateur there is no „need“) a „better then SD- camera“ for a „holliday – movie“. I wanted to do it in 16:9 (I loathe 4:3). For the moment the FX1 was the best choice for me. The journey I was going to make had a fixed date and the FX1 was available. I think the size of the FX1 is not the problem – You have to keep in mind that You also need a tripod.
If I wasn’t doing this trip maybe I would have waited.

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Old May 9th, 2005, 06:38 AM   #20
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I think the size of the FX1 is not the problem ? You have to keep in mind that You also need a tripod.
Dear Richard
I usually take video while i walking, how is the image quality with this type of video?
and i dont have the time (ony my holidays) to stand with a tripod, is the fx1 to heavy to carry on my hand?
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Old May 9th, 2005, 07:31 AM   #21
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At this time a had „only“ 300 GB HDD, 512 MB – Ram and a 2.2 GHz Athlon prozessor. I used Vegas 5d and Connect HD.
According to David Newman needed 3 GHz processor for Vegas 5 and only 2 GHz for Vegas 6. Vegas 6 available to students for 190 USD.

I still think that when factor everything in, camera cost, W/A lens cost, talent, sound equipment, lighting and other costs, extra cost for HDV versus DV is minimal, not "much more", as was suggested, unless you're a pro and need HDCAM VCR, high end HD monitors, etc.

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Old May 9th, 2005, 01:01 PM   #22
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Native M2T

Douglas, you know a lot more than me, but I have to correct you on native m2t editing. LE 6.1 does it and there is no conversion. To my knowledge, Avid is taking the same approach, but they are probably going to use LE technology to do so. Correct me if I am missing something.
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Old May 9th, 2005, 01:10 PM   #23
 
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It's true that in LE they are not converting, but rather referencing, which is still not working with the native transport stream directly. Unless I'm informed wrong from Pinnacle, they are referencing the frame information, but not the frame itself.
Avid is doing their own thing with it, or so I'm told, but NDA would prevent me from saying more. What I'm told and what might actually ship are often two different things. :-)
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Old May 10th, 2005, 02:25 AM   #24
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DSE - you should try out womble

DSE, you should give mpeg video wizard a try. It nicely handles m2t - we're editing our Sony FX1 action movie on a PIII 1 GHz laptop with win xp pro... okay, it's a bit choppy, but we're making out fine!

Hey, DSE, by the way, what do you think of new mainconcept H.264 encoder???
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Old May 10th, 2005, 06:27 AM   #25
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I usually take video while i walking, how is the image quality with this type of video?
and i dont have the time (ony my holidays) to stand with a tripod, is the fx1 to heavy to carry on my hand?

i saw a lot of blurrinness if the fx1 is in motion, more than my minidv camera, Why?

please write your opinions it is too important for me
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Old May 10th, 2005, 06:40 AM   #26
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Hello Yannis,

sorry I can't answer Your question - I always use a tripod. At least I have one with me. Until now I haven't made one handheld shot with the FX1.
What I can tell You that the FX1 is bulky, but not overly heavy. I am used to carry heavy bags with Stillcameras - in comparison with a Pentax 67 and 3 lenses, exposure meter, filters for BW and films the bag with the FX1 is light as a feather....

Hello Radek,

the statet systems requirements are in my opinion always aproximate. If You are willing to make some sacrifices, to use workarounds etc You often can do with an "indadequate system". Of course when the workflow gets to slow, frustration levels rise. But as an amateur Your budget is always tight. The purchase of a camera which costs as much a a FX1 is a big step. And for making this one big leap You need to make the next steps smaller. I haven't testet Vegas 6 yet, but if it is true what You wrote, I should try it.

Hello Mark,

I downloaded the Trial version of the Womble Tool. It really looks promising.

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Old May 10th, 2005, 07:22 AM   #27
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DSE, you should give mpeg video wizard a try. It nicely handles m2t - we're editing our Sony FX1 action movie on a PIII 1 GHz laptop with win xp pro... okay, it's a bit choppy, but we're making out fine!
Where can get that software, how much is it, please.
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Old May 10th, 2005, 07:51 AM   #28
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Hello Radek,

http://www.womble.com/products/

I think the price is 120$, but You can download a working 30 day trial.

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Old May 10th, 2005, 08:03 AM   #29
 
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Womble is very good for recutting/stitching mpeg together, but past that, it's not useful for anything, IMO.

The Z1, with it's 4 stablizer modes, is great during walking, if you're walking like a shooter vs walking while swinging your hips and arms.
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Old May 10th, 2005, 10:17 AM   #30
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The Z1, with it's 4 stablizer modes, is great during walking,
I cant afford to buy z1, only fx1. How many stabilizer modes has the fx1?
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