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Old August 24th, 2006, 07:24 AM   #1
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MiniDV tape in HDV mode?

hey guys. is it true that you can use MiniDV in HDV mode in the Z1 and get HD quality on playback??
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Old August 24th, 2006, 07:28 AM   #2
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hey guys. is it true that you can use MiniDV in HDV mode in the Z1 and get HD quality on playback??
If you are talking about using regular MiniDV tapes in the camera for HDV, then yes it is true. You do not need special tapes, they are just used to record 1's 0's, that's it.

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Old August 24th, 2006, 08:02 AM   #3
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Wow i never knew that. what sthe point in paying twic as much for a HD tape then?? is their any difference?? also if i record in HD mode will i be able to burn it on to DVD?
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Old August 24th, 2006, 08:11 AM   #4
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Wow i never knew that. what sthe point in paying twic as much for a HD tape then?? is their any difference?? also if i record in HD mode will i be able to burn it on to DVD?
They have to make money too you know. The more expensive tapes are supposed to be made with more stingent qualitly control, etc, but it is basically the same tape inside. And, you can't put HD on a DVD unless you get one of the very new very expensive HD DVD burners. But the price will come down soon I think.

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Old August 24th, 2006, 08:37 AM   #5
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but can i not burn it to DVD and get normal DVD quality?
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Old August 24th, 2006, 08:39 AM   #6
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but can i not burn it to DVD and get normal DVD quality?
Yes you can. Footage shot in HD on that camera then downrezzed to SD is beautiful. You will love it. Then you can still save your HD footage and later make a DVD of it.

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Old August 24th, 2006, 09:11 AM   #7
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great! Mike one last question if i may. when i digitize into Final cut 5 will it remain HD?
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Old August 24th, 2006, 11:33 AM   #8
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great! Mike one last question if i may. when i digitize into Final cut 5 will it remain HD?

I have no idea about what Final Cut or your system can handle. With most systems you need special software to capture HD. Like I said though, just downrez to SD out of the camera, and edit it that way.

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Old August 24th, 2006, 02:44 PM   #9
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..the latest version of Final Cut ( and Final Cut Express ) is HD ready. Just import your footage and you're away. Even Apple's iMovie is HD ready. Works a treat.

I've only had my Z1 for a couple of weeks and I just love it.
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Old August 24th, 2006, 04:34 PM   #10
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Hd-dvd

if you have the latest version of dvd studio pro you can burn HD-DVD on a standard DVD and play it back on the toshiba player. it is only 4.7 gb worth, but it works.
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Old August 25th, 2006, 03:06 AM   #11
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I have no idea about what Final Cut or your system can handle. With most systems you need special software to capture HD. Like I said though, just downrez to SD out of the camera, and edit it that way.

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How do you "downrez" it on the camera?
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Old August 25th, 2006, 06:13 AM   #12
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Wow i never knew that. what sthe point in paying twic as much for a HD tape then?? is their any difference?? also if i record in HD mode will i be able to burn it on to DVD?
There r differences. I sued Panasonic Pro DV tapes and I get some "black lines" sometimes. I have not got that with the Sony HDV tapes.
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Old August 26th, 2006, 01:54 AM   #13
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hey guys. is it true that you can use MiniDV in HDV mode in the Z1 and get HD quality on playback??
Having just been burned by this ability to use any tape..... yes, there is a difference. The tape may be technically the same but the quality control is much higher on the HD marketed version. That point is driven home by the numbers of drop outs you get. While a drop out in miniDV mode isn't "too" bad, that same drop out in HDV is a major hit because of the way the info is recorded on the tape.

If what you're shooting is important, use the better tape. You can't easily make up for HDV drop outs in the edit room.

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Old August 26th, 2006, 01:34 PM   #14
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I was a die-hard on exclusively using the expensive HDV tapes until recently. I more or less was forced to start using regular MinDV tapes in my FX1 due to simple economics and convenience. I was going through 5-6 tapes per week, and I simply couldn't afford to pay 2 to 3 times the price for the expensive tapes. Furthermore, when you run out and are in a pinch, you have to order them in advance as they are not sold in stores anywhere, at least nowhere I have seen. Nonetheless, I really didn't want to make the switch. But one day earlier this winter, I ran out of the HDV tapes and had no choice but either use a regular MiniDV tape or miss the shots. It worked just fine. That was all it took.

I have recorded some 50 or so regular MiniDV tapes on the FX1 without a single dropout or problem. I have come to trust them completely, and to me it now makes no practical and economic sense to pay the very high difference for the HDV tapes. I'm using the Sony premiums (around $2.00 each when bought in bulk), the same tapes I've always used in the VX2100 and TRV900.

I use a tape once, capture the needed material, then file the tape away in storage. I faithfully and meticulously (some may say obsessively) index and back up the m2ts on multiple hard drives, and have never had to go back to a tape for any reason. This and the fact that I never re-use a tape make the standard MiniDV tapes the best solution.
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Old August 27th, 2006, 07:05 AM   #15
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How do you "downrez" it on the camera?
I don't have the camera, but if it is like others, and I think it is, you can output SD when capturing via firewire.

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